ADC doesn't have weak early game anymore?

The Deckowner·Aug 18, 2017·9 votes·639 views

Remember when Twitch, Kog'maw and Tristana(The hyperscaling carries) actually had a shitty early game and you could bully them?

Remember when ADCs don't do damage before IE+Zeal item powerspike?

11 Comments

BALDG1VEN BOOMERAug 18, 20173 votes

They come back to lane with a BF sword and that's pretty much it, get ready to lose half your health in two AAs.

Pandemic PunchAug 18, 20173 votes

Twitch hasn't really had a weak early game since his minor rework. Kog'maw and Tristana both still have a weak early game. Tristana has a pretty safe early game though due to her mobility.

AhristocatsAug 18, 20172 votes

kog'maw weak early game is inexistent since warlord and doran shield

by level 4 he can 2v2 with his support because his range will be too high for the enemy adc to fight, he will become an adc able to kite an other adc

if you want to see a real weak early game, play nasus

Pandemic PunchAug 18, 20172 votes

Kog'maw doesn't do much early. At all. The key to what you said is, "...with his support...". Now you are talking about supports.

AhristocatsAug 18, 20172 votes

Kog'maw pokes harder than any adc that isn't named draven and you tell me he doesn't do much early? also from more range than anyone not named cait?

"with his support" wait, you actually forgot that botlane is 2v2?

Pandemic PunchAug 18, 20172 votes

??? Exactly. Bot lane is 2v2 which means that the support plays a huge role in the ADC's early game. Put AD Kog mid vs every other ADC in the mid lane 1v1. Kog won't be top tier in the early game.

Kog'maw heavily relies on his support for early success. Much more so than other ADC's

Kog'maw's most common supports are Janna and Lulu according to Champion.gg. That context is important.

AhristocatsAug 18, 20172 votes

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??? Exactly. Bot lane is 2v2 which means that the support plays a huge role in the ADC's early game.

adc are not balanced around being alone adc are always balanced around 2v2

if kog early game becomes better because of a support it immediatly needs nerfs to balance his late game

that's how logic works if you want balance

Pandemic PunchAug 18, 20172 votes

If you know how logic works so well, then use it.

This discussion is about his early game compared to other ADC's. If we want to get into the discussion about supports then we have to consider many more variables. Like nerfing the supports instead of the ADC itself or specific 2v2 matchups. That is why I gave you the statistic about Lulu and Janna that you conveniently ignored.

You can't hide from my point forever >). At some point you will have to admit how bad he is early compared to other ADC's >)

AhristocatsAug 18, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Naked Villager,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3Kiyqpre,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-18T15:26:53.113+0000)

This discussion is about his early game compared to other ADC's.

no, we don't care about other adcs

we only talk about kog, and if his early game is weak enough to compensate his godlike late game and it isn't

he starts the game with 49% win rate, that shit isn't weak for how his late game is

Pandemic PunchAug 18, 20173 votes

You aren't reading my posts.

You also can't just talk about Kog without comparing the other ADC's. That is how you know whether he is good or bad.

Edit: You contradict most of your own points with this post also. You compared kog'maw to other ADC's in at least two of your posts. So much for logic eh? :D