Jungle GP Was Hurt (As Was Support GP)

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It is an AOE AA that refreshes your passive while ignoring 60% armor.

You might struggle a bit more earlier in the game for clears, but it is a huge buff later. Are you trying to stack barrels or something?

A. Jungle creeps barely have armor. Ignoring a percentage of a low sum of armor is fairly insignificant, and as a result, this fact does not largely contribute to his clears.

B. It's useless on ganks because you'll never destroy the barrel in time, let alone with them in the radius. I've even tried throwing one in my bush when trying to gank, then waiting to restock and lowering the barrel health then throwing two more out so it can reach their path and hopefully chain them. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work.

C. One AoE AA and one passive being refreshed versus every AA of yourself having a big, juicy AD boost. This, plus the fact you would've had AS reds on with this particular jungler, means the AD boost will contribute more to your clear times. I can tell you that, after trying to clear with the new GP, it was slower than it used to be. Anecdotal, take it as you will.

D. A big part of jungling is ganking, and before, GP's E gave himself and allies a MS boost to charge in to attack the enemy with. Now? His ganks are even worse than they used to be, and they were only good against champions that couldn't escape his slow before. They're now considerably worse, even against such enemies.

**E. **His AoE steroid was one of the few reasons for GP support to exist, and it's now gone.

F. This is a big hitter, for me at least. GP's new passive has a 500 doubloon requirement to upgrade his ultimate. This number was no doubt chosen with CSing minions in lane with your Q in mind, where you could theoretically get 4 doubloons every time it is off of CD and a minion is low on health. In the jungle, your doubloon progress is considerably impeded by the fact that there are fewer enemies and they take longer to be killed.

A LOT of stacking mechanics in this game give greater rewards for killing monsters instead of minions to account for the fact that your accumulation will be slower. Despite his playrate in the jungle pre-rework, no thought was given to this fact, because Gangplank's does not.

G. Given he was played over 20% of the time in a non-solo lane position, ignoring them entirely is a pretty bad move, in my opinion.

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How is his E worse for clearing? It's an AoE autoattack/Q with 60% armor penetration, and it reprocs his passive. It's better for clearing in every way compared to his old E.

A damage boost on every single AA with a champion you would run AS reds on is going to be superior to a single AA being splashed per barrel.

Let alone the MS boost. Let alone the fact it's broadcasted to all nearby allies as well.

I have a 65% winrate over 26 game in Diamond as support gp. It was pretty good mate.

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Gangplank always had a farm identity with his Q. Support was never a design intention. It was never part of his identity. As for Jungle. I'm not aware enough to make judgement on whether or not it was ever part of his identity. But, I don't believe it was ever popular enough for it to be considered an intended role.

Unlike Zed being a Jungler. Which Riot released him as a Jungler/Mid. Which was slowly forgotten and thrown away with the various changes to the jungle since. Not a major loss, but I'm still a little disappointed.

His summoner spell choice of Smite indicates it was about 20% of the time he was jungled. Pretty significant in the grand scheme, if you ask me.

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Q needs to pop barrel regardless of how many charges it had, its way too easy for ranged enemies to counter and just laugh at them in their current state.

That would really help jungleplank, but it'd probably be broken in lane.

Easy , place a charge near you, then place a charge near them. Then hit your original barrel and it will pop the next barrel regardless