Riot: "Let's just uh... Take away 5 damage from Renekton's rank 3 E and nothing else".

Ready 2 B Blamed·Sep 5, 2018·1 votes·1,494 views

Why..? This literally does nothing! This is 10x worse than when you nerfed Warrior enchantment by 5 damage because AT LEAST that slightly affected the game in some miniscule way but this doesn't even do anything to Renekton. Not that I think the champion needs to be nerfed or buffed but who even thought this is a change that, at all, needs to happen? Like... Why? Are you just trying to meme to drag attention away from everything else? Sounds like a pretty fucking stupid meme to feign idiocy. Unless it's April Fools, in which case, feign idiocy all you want.

If there's any top mains who know anything about Renekton let me know if i'm overreacting and this "nerf" actually does effect Renekton in some way but I doubt this means anything lol.

17 Comments

Pokemonred200Sep 5, 20183 votes

It would've made the damage increase based on rank an uneven amount, which fucks with people's OCD. (It would have gone 45 45 50 45 45 instead of 45 45 45 45 45).

Quality ContentSep 5, 20181 votes

It's in relation to a change already on PBE. The full changelist is:

Slice and Dice (E) 
    Dice Fury Bonus:
        armor reduction increased from 15/20/25/30/35% to 25/27.5/30/32.5/35%
        damage increased from 60/105/150/195/240 to 70/115/160/205/250

Ready 2 B BlamedSep 5, 20181 votes

Still does literally nothing. I mean the other changes are probably okay. From an effectual standpoint. 5 damage off his level 3 E, though? Is that supposed to be a takeaway? Really?

Quality ContentSep 5, 20181 votes

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Still does literally nothing. I mean the other changes are probably okay. From an effectual standpoint. 5 damage off his level 3 E, though? Is that supposed to be a takeaway? Really?

It's 5 damage off an increased value on PBE. It's still a net buff in damage. Live damage is 55 / 100 / 145 / 190 / 235 PBE damage is 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250

Ready 2 B BlamedSep 5, 20181 votes

It's 5 damage off an increased value on PBE. It's still a net buff in damage. Live damage is 55 / 100 / 145 / 190 / 235 PBE damage is 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250

..I know. I am saying that the "nerf" after the buffs seems absolutely pointless.

Doge2020Sep 5, 20181 votes

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Still does literally nothing. I mean the other changes are probably okay. From an effectual standpoint. 5 damage off his level 3 E, though? Is that supposed to be a takeaway? Really?

that is kinda big, the armor reduction got buffed and e damage too so I am prob expecting renekton players to try use a fury enhanced e more for the armor reduction and damage.

Ready 2 B BlamedSep 5, 20181 votes

that is kinda big, the armor reduction got buffed and e damage too so I am prob expecting renekton players to try use a fury enhanced e more for the armor reduction and damage.

The changes as a whole is effectual. But they aren't big in any way. The buffs don't change most matchups. It'll probably make the matchups he already wins make him win ever so slightly harder but in the grand scheme of things it changes nothing. That's not even my point, though. I'm saying the -5 damage AFTER the buffs doesn't matter in the slightest.

Doge2020Sep 5, 20181 votes

I looked at the patch notes that are on the PBE rn and it looks like renekton’s e base damage got increased by 10 damage for each lvl. Doesn’t look like a nerf at all, unless they changed it and nobody has updated the League Wikia site yet.

Ready 2 B BlamedSep 5, 20181 votes

No I am aware. I am saying that taking that 5 damage away even after the buffing of it is negligible at best.

Milton FletcherSep 5, 20181 votes

renekton atm has the best and easiest laning phase vs melees.

playing vs him is worse than pantheon because even if u gank him, he will always get away if he has half a brain and isnt pushed up with 10 hp.

the damage and sustain he has with his innate tankiness is what makes him busted beyond belief.

but by all means lets keep it as it is because lcs doesnt play him

Ready 2 B BlamedSep 5, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Milton Fletcher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3IEAlGXu,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-09-05T22:05:41.711+0000)

renekton atm has the best and easiest laning phase vs melees.

playing vs him is worse than pantheon because even if u gank him, he will always get away if he has half a brain and isnt pushed up with 10 hp.

the damage and sustain he has with his innate tankiness is what makes him busted beyond belief.

but by all means lets keep it as it is because lcs doesnt play him

I mean... Yeah? Far from the point of this thread- but Renekton is not as busted as you might think. His "innate tankiness" is his sustain and ult. If he doesn't have those things he's relatively easy to kill. The whole reason he's not picked in competitive is because he does pretty much 1 thing and he's not even the best at it. That being smashing in 1v1 scenarios and getting sidelane pressure off of it. Ex of better splitpushers: Camille, Fiora, Jax, Ryze, Darius, Dr. Mundo, Gnar, Kled, Shen and potentially even more. This doesn't change for soloQ. Even in more favorable matchups it's not like he necessarily wins. Champions who can split safely and escape make Renek's splitpush negligible. Ex: Aatrox, Tryndamere, Singed, Riven.

The reason he's not picked=why he's mediocre is because he's below so many champions in priority and doesn't scale well at all.

Milton FletcherSep 5, 20181 votes

keep using that "doesnt scale well" bullshit and see where it gets you when ti comes to real conversation.

renekton doesnt fall off.

games do not go over 30 minutes.

renekton does not

fall

off

stop

defedning

him

with

this

excuse,

he needs tuning down or a rewoork.

Ready 2 B BlamedSep 5, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Milton Fletcher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3IEAlGXu,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2018-09-05T23:29:24.729+0000)

keep using that "doesnt scale well" bullshit and see where it gets you when ti comes to real conversation.

renekton doesnt fall off.

...Do you have any actual evidence to back this up? Most players;professional or otherwise agree that he does. And it's been shown so many times in pro play and soloQ games on stream of Renekton losing so many 1v1s past laning phase because so many other champions have item spikes and Renekton basically doesn't. Him being weaker than most other top laners past laning phase is the reason why he doesn't scale well. That's what you'll have to disprove.

games do not go over 30 minutes.

..Yes, they do? Lol I had 2 40 minute games just today. And plenty more that go over 30 before that.

Milton FletcherSep 6, 20181 votes

could it be because actual statistics prove that most games end early?

could it be?

ive yet to see a renekton on my team with half a brain top lose his lane.

ive yet to see that.

hes literally desigend to shit on melee champs.

Ready 2 B BlamedSep 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Milton Fletcher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3IEAlGXu,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-06T00:01:21.758+0000)

could it be because actual statistics prove that most games end early?

could it be?

It could also be that statistics don't say everything. Same argument why for a champion shouldn't be considered "OP" just because they have a high winrate. But if you want statistics there are graphs that show Renekton's declining winrate as time passes within games. According to your logic, this "proves" he does fall off as time passes.

ive yet to see a renekton on my team with half a brain top lose his lane.

Good for you. I'm sure your personal experience outweighs everything everyone else is saying as well as the massive amounts of video evidence. Not to say that he shouldn't win lane. He wins most lanes. The problem is he doesn't win hard enough to outweigh the inevitable de-escalation versus champions that are also good @ laning and scale much better.

hes literally desigend to shit on melee champs.

He's designed to apply pressure very early and keep pressuring. This does not mean he necessarily wins versus ALL melee champions. This just means he has a huge edge. There's still counterplay in various aspects of his gameplay. Especially if you have champions that can potentially play around him like Gnar, Camille, Irelia etc.

Ready 2 B BlamedSep 6, 20181 votes

Oh! One more thing: it helps that a lot of champions that are good at what Renekton does (Gnar, Kennen, Ryze etc.) are so very versatile. Even if you intend to pick them for their splitpush prowess it helps knowing that you can build for teamfight if you think that splitpushing option doesn't seem favorable in the current situation. Renekton can't really do that. Or I guess I should say, he "could". But only in the same way a Tryndamere or a Jax "can". That being they are not great at it. Not like the aforementioned champions. Just another reason in the endless sea of reasons why Renekton is performing terribly in soloQ as well as basically not even picked in competitive.

RagnaveilSep 6, 20181 votes

Uh, i've played Renekton before we even got keystones, and after we did. He indeed falls off. All that high damage and health wont mean anything if a late game mage or full item AD shreds you hard and fast enough to make you into a pair of crocodile slippers. He isn't any different in this meta.