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What irks me the most about the Darius Rework:

SaltyToplaneGoat··82 votes·9,457 views

It's a massive thematical failure.

Did the champ up team even TRY to understand the character they are working on? From his appearance to his voiceover, Darius radiates authority. He's a strong, but also a CALM and calculating fighter, using every weakness he can find in his opponents. And the first thing you give him is... MINDLESS BLOODRUSH?

Seriously? WE ALREADY HAVE SEVERAL CHAMPS WITH THAT TROPE Tryndamere Olaf (and a little Sion ). Heck, we even has DRAVEN, who has "blood rush" as one of his skills. Darius was supposed the calmer one of the two brothers, just saying...

He was never supposed to be a teamfighter. WHO THE HELL decided that his sole identity was "DUNKING"?! For that buff to the ult you pretty much gutted the entire kit. So we have a passive around stacks and at the strongest point... he doesn't have to care about it anymore? Wtf.

There are some things that are fine with this, but the current result is horrible. I can get inner circle Q dealing less damage and not applying bleed. It makes sense, you don't hit them with the sharp part of your weapon. Or the BugFix on E, because no champion should be reliant on bugs to be viable. But the rest of the changes... absolutly horrible.

My suggestion would be to turn his ultimate back to normal and then rework his W into a skill that is not a enchanted basic attack. How about some axe- upward swing that knows people slightly away? From inner Q range to outer Q range again while slowing for a little bit? Then Darius is all about keeping his enemies closer, but not TOO close for a long time... that's a theme you can work with gameplay wise, no?

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Ironclad Dragon36 votes

And I quote from Riot Harrow:

He's not a crazed, bloodthirsty maniac, I'm afraid. He's more of a cold-blooded killer, moving through the battlefield with powerful, but precise, movements, striking with deadly force where it matters most. He takes pride in combat, but there's no primal bloodlust that he constantly needs to sate. Unpredictable sadists don't always make the best commanders.

Garen Hey, guys! We're all getting kit changes! They're calling us "The Juggernauts". Mordekaiser Never thought of us before like that. That's metal. Darius Make it quick, Garen. Garen Well read then, Ceaseless Dunkage! Darius Hey, that boss took me forever! Darius ... Darius So I fly into a blood rage whenever I dunk a fool or put the time into getting off full stacks. This might be worthwhile. Garen Wait, I thought Riot specified that you weren't a blood crazed killer. Darius You don't know the euphoria of pentadunking a team, Garen. You. Don't. Know.

Bârd11 votes

Skarner You are right. I dont know. I got a rock. item 3070

Ironclad Dragon24 votes

Speaking of... here's the full version.

Garen Hey, guys! We're all getting kit changes! They're calling us "The Juggernauts". Mordekaiser Never thought of us before like that. That's metal. Darius Make it quick, Garen. Garen Well read then, Ceaseless Dunkage! Darius Hey, that boss took me forever! Darius ... Darius So I fly into a blood rage whenever I dunk a fool or put the time into getting off full stacks. This might be worthwhile. Garen Wait, I thought Riot specified that you weren't a blood crazed killer. Darius You don't know the euphoria of pentadunking a team, Garen. You. Don't. Know. Garen Hey, Morde! You got some changes too. Mordekaiser Will I be able to catch up with those pesky mobile mids yet? Mordekaiser ... Mordekaiser The hell am I reading? Garen Riot wants you to replace the ADC down bot lane. Mordekaiser How the hell does that work? ADC's meant to sustain their damage. Must've been a typo; ADC instead of APC. Garen C'mon, think about it! You'll live the privileged life of an ADC! Tons of wards! A support on demand! Plentiful ganks! Dragon control! Mordekaiser Hm. Can't refute that. Maybe it won't be so bad. Having a support will be like having a minion 24/7, except I don't have to kill them first. Garen Keep reading. You got an ult change. Mordekaiser They better not have messed it up, the fools... Mordekaiser ... Mordekaiser I get a goddamn dragon? Garen Read the passive name. Mordekaiser "Dragon force"... Mordekaiser You know what that means? Darius Oh, here we go. Mordekaiser THROUGH THE FIRE AND THE FLAMES, I'LL CARRY YOU ALL. Garen Skarner! You got some changes too! Skarner Sweet! I hope I'm viable! Darius Don't get your hopes up, bug. Skarner Riven will still stomp your ass top lane, Slamlord Nito! Darius Not you too! Skarner HERE IT IS. I'M READING IT. I SEE CRYSTALS. LOOKS PROMISING... Skarner ... Skarner I... I got a rock. Malphite Hey, I'm not that bad in a duo lane.

The Soulforged2 votes

I'll fix that last morde quote for you. "With the heart of a dragon we ride."

XeroKimo4 votes

{quoted}

Mordekaiser THROUGH THE FIRE AND THE FLAMES, I'LL CARRY YOU ALL.

AMAZING!!!! GIVE THIS MAN ALL THE UPVOTES!

Chatillon2 votes

already did

windwolf7772 votes

I got nothing. Just wanted to say this is the best champion conversation I've seen in a while

Mordekaiser I get a **goddamn **dragon?

Best line

Awoof2 votes

{quoted}

Mordekaiser ... Mordekaiser The hell am I reading?

I can imagine Morde with that reaction all too well, made me laugh so hard.

Ironclad Dragon1 votes

Thanks, bro!

ArkenStorm1 votes

THROUGH THE POWER OF THE UNIVERSE WE'LL ALL STAND TOGETHER! wait wrong song, my b. TITANS OF JUSTICE.... never mind.

Voidgolem17 votes

passive makes perfect sense: If someone lets you hit them five times as Darius they're bad and deserve to be cut in half.

and "not supposed to be a teamfighter"? y'know, as someone whose entire gimmick since day one has been "Chained ult resets"?

NERDSMASHER50011 votes

{quoted}

passive makes perfect sense: If someone lets you hit them five times as Darius they're bad and deserve to be cut in half.

they're buffing him so there's points where one autoattack puts 5 passive stacks on a target

Voidgolem2 votes

{quoted}

they're buffing him so there's points where one autoattack puts 5 passive stacks on a target

points being "After you've hit somebody five times" or "You've successfully dunked a target". Yes.

SaltyToplaneGoat15 votes

Yes, that's how the old one worked. Now it is: oh darius went somehwhat hulk and applies all stakcs at once which is thematically horrible.

You said it yourself, it's a gimmick. Not something you focus the champs entire identiy around. This is like saying "Flashy LCS teamfights" is now better than anything the champion can do on his own or in lane...

He was a teamfighter in the sense that he could fight them all one after another, and not for simply spamming R (ok, maybe he's know for that in Bronze 5, but that doesn't count).

Voidgolem1 votes

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Yes, that's how the old one worked. Now it is: oh darius went somehwhat hulk and applies all stakcs at once which is thematically horrible.

You said it yourself, it's a gimmick. Not something you focus the champs entire identiy around. This is like saying "Flashy LCS teamfights" is now better than anything the champion can do on his own or in lane...

He was a teamfighter in the sense that he could fight them all one after another, and not for simply spamming R (ok, maybe he's know for that in Bronze 5, but that doesn't count).

They haven't focused his identity around it, though :|

SaltyToplaneGoat4 votes

Uhm, yes they have. They pretty much nerfed down his whole kit to balance out the bloodrush/ultimate nonsense. If there is only one thing your champ is good at, then that is his identity in a game.

Voidgolem4 votes

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Uhm, yes they have. They pretty much nerfed down his whole kit to balance out the bloodrush/ultimate nonsense. If there is only one thing your champ is good at, then that is his identity in a game.

chain-dunking and being an obnoxious lane bully is all darius has -ever- been good at, though.

SaltyToplaneGoat7 votes

So and now they reduced it to only "chain-dunking". Kind of sad if you ask me, no?

Voidgolem5 votes

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So and now they reduced it to only "chain-dunking". Kind of sad if you ask me, no?

...they didn't actually reduce his lane bullying by all that much. Hell, giving him innate sustain is a hella buff to that.

as to "dey gutted it's damage" : Actually do the math on total AD versus bonus AD ratio. It boils out to about the same give or take, like, 10. Higher if you ham the enemy laner and actually get bloodrage to proc.

It's much less if you suck and only ever get hilt-hits on Q, of course. So don't suck. Problem solved.

SaltyToplaneGoat4 votes

And how does that heal make any sense? YOU JUST CUT THEM WITH AN AXE. I dare YOU to cut someone with an axe and see if that heals you. (Hint: it doesn't). If Darius was using some kind of life-draining, blood-devouring cursed weapon I might be okay with this, but as it is now the heal is just nonsense stuffed into this kit due to a lack of actual competence and creativity on the reworking team.

Solo Josh4 votes

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kJs1 votes

But come on! 10% every Q blade hit per champion. It's ridiculous. You come and gank Darius at 20% health and bam he spins and heals back up to almost half health.

TheFirstGokun3 votes

He's at 28% health. That is almost half of almost half health.

ArkenStorm1 votes

30% of 80 is 24, he would be at 44% health. do your math

TheFirstGokun1 votes

Forgot it scales from 10-30%, thought it was just 10%. My mistake >:

ArkenStorm1 votes

I just realized that was extremely rude of me, sorry to be condescending :P it is only 10% if he hits one champ tho, in which case you would be right

Rivini2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EV2EyMs,comment-id=00000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-05T16:14:00.624+0000)

And how does that heal make any sense? YOU JUST CUT THEM WITH AN AXE. I dare YOU to cut someone with an axe and see if that heals you. (Hint: it doesn't).

How do ADCs restore their health from hitting a distant target with bullets, arrows, etc.?

You shouldn't try to apply logic to a game with a ton of preexisting broken logic.

Also, does that mean you're fine with Renekton's Q?

Narasimha4 votes

How does Yasuo block a Tsunami? How does Nasus gain infinite power by killing creeps? How does XinZhao knock up something like Chogath with a completely unmagical spear?

Some things you just don't question in a fantasy video game.

SaltyToplaneGoat4 votes

1.) They admitted that's a coding incident

2.) He's an ascendant focused on life force control, if you have never heard his voiceover, now is a good time to do that.

3.) He's manly as fuck. Simple.

Narasimha3 votes
  1. So blocking a tidal incident is 'coding'. What about blocking the elderitch powers of the Void, light (Diana ), or even pure energy? (Syndra )
  1. That's probably fair. I haven't heard Nasus's regular lines since I got his Infernal skin.
  2. Nah, that's Braum 's excuse. No one out mans him.
kJs4 votes

Here's a real man Taric

IWasSnow3 votes

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Here's a real man Taric

Logged in to upvote this.

Vistha Kai2 votes

More "Yasuo Windwalls Nami WTF" bullshit.

You have no idea what wind can do, don't you?

Narasimha1 votes

I'm not inclined to do the math, but Windwall has a cast time of.. what, .5 seconds? In order to put a barrier of wind in that time interval with the strength to deflect something like a tsunami, the windspeed would be outrageous. Like "scour the earth clean" outrageous.

Vistha Kai2 votes

And the gravitational force Diana creates durning Moonfall would reduce her into a bloody pulp.

Chatillon1 votes

Nothat'swhyyouplayLunarGoddessbecauseflowerpetalsoflightcloseonthepersonbecausedawnisbreakingandtheflowerhastosleepduringthedaylikeanowlanditdragsthepersoninasitcloses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#logic

Vistha Kai1 votes

That'd be Zyra.

3TWarrior2 votes

joke post: it's a magic spatula shaped like a spear

kJs4 votes

His Q is grossly overbuffed as well. 10% heal per target hit. I really hope he doesn't go on live.

SaltyToplaneGoat13 votes

That's something even worse in terms of theme.

YOU FUCKING CUT PEOPLE WITH AN AXE! You do not eat their flesh, drink their blood or use a livedraining weapon to do that. You. Simply. Cut. Them.

Where the hell is the reason for that spell to have a heal?! It's absolute nonsense! And for that they gutted its damage...

kJs5 votes

I think we have to assume that Darius's axe has a hole from the blade that siphons blood through the handle and into Darius's forearm.

It made no thematic sense either but I let that one pass because there are other exceptions in League.

The heal is supposed to give him sustain but I think they were stupid with the numbers. 10% is obviously overpowered I don't know what CertainlyT was thinking. That's one J4 passive healed back up.

I think CertainlyT just assumed that because blood is involved that bloodrage and those tropes should follow. Next thing we know Shen's going to be reworked into just another AD Assassin with invisibility.

Sniper 02 votes

So I'm guessing you read his damage changes right? Q's damage down, hemorrhage is physical damage... lol grossly overbuffed my rear

The Loveless4 votes

If Fiora can sprout a healing zone, you know Riot is on the sauce. Vampire Darius is gonna rule top and maybe even mid lane once 5.16 drops.

Shénzhì3 votes

updated

Hm.. Yea. Something about this Darius update is very deviated.

I've mentioned before that his repetitive casting of his ultimate doesn't down-scale from Nasus who is an Ascendant. You'd think his critical hit Siphoning Strike would sound like new Guillotine. And Sion looks so much better visually when casting [Q].

Comparing with Fiora who finds Vital weaknesses I think Darius is more of one to make weaknesses.

--They've said about 'making Darius to work for unlocking his true potential' and; --what I've identified thematically as being incorrect I propose this:

  • Ultimate does not make thundering sound. Keep that for Nasus or other greater beings.
  • Each hemorrhage decides how fast the ultimate is cast. (Each Hemorrhage decides Ult's cast time: 1/0.8/0.6/0.4/0)
  • His target is able to dodge his Ultimate! Cooldown reduce if miss.
  • 5 Hemorrhage stacks; Darius cannot miss. Instant cast.
  • Any ultimate cast will imperfect his blade. Darius axe will Perforate next target (apply 4 Hemorrhage).
  • Bloodrage is renamed to Perforate. Applies 4 Hemorrhage then continue to cast Guillotine.
  • Perforate duration will refresh upon each champion hit.
  • Perforate ends when exit combat. (animation: Darius sharpens his axe. Back to normal)

This make sense? He's still in his element and still making him work.

SaltyToplaneGoat3 votes

Binding cast time and the posibility to miss is surely an interesting thought, but it's more rewarding to get your stacks on, so I think that this could really work out.

I have one change tho: After a successfull ultimate kill, Darius damaging abilities and attacks apply TWO stacks every time for the next X seconds. THAT'S easier to balance than the whole "WHOOP FULL STACKS" package...

Shénzhì2 votes

updated

In his element with Perforate buff:

  • "Darius cracked his blade. You can perforate a target and they will stack 1 Hemorrhage per 2 seconds and leave a blood-trail."

Upon being Perforated debuff:

  • 'Perforated: Applying 1 Hemorrhage per 2 second intervals.' 'You are dripping a trail of blood.' (To assist Darius in tracking)
  • 'Perforated ends at 5 Hemorrhage.'

Ultimate cast time:

  • Still depends on hemorrhage stacks.
SaltyToplaneGoat3 votes

Uhh, not "per second", but "per attack". But apart from that it doesn't sound bad.

CasterGilgamesh3 votes

wait what are you talking about "not a team fighter" his lore begs to differ he literally inspired his soldiers to keep going by walking up to a general and cutting his head off

chipndip12 votes

I think the rework fits him perfectly. You DO realize his splash art is him pulling his axe from a freshly cleaved face in the middle of a battlefield filled with dead enemies, right? He's calmer and more calculating than Draven, but that's because you gotta stay focused when you're chopping things with axes so you get it right down the middle. When his passive goes off, he starts commanding the field, Dynasty Warriors style, slaying every champ he runs into. The difference between Tryn/Sion/Olaf and Darius is that Darius is more for brutally, yet effectively, slaying enemies while the latter is more for just...being pissed off to the point where they're unstoppable. One has technique and one's just winning off of sheer brute force.

So yea, I'm giving Riot a point for this one.

DeBigMoist2 votes

Skarner Least u have a passive for top lane.

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