Why was Zed buffed again?

Yenn··56 votes·14,872 views

Has the balance team ever tried to lane against him with a champion that needs to auto attack to CS?

You literally lose 50%+ of your health to his unavoidable W + E + Q combo, not even bringing his ult into the picture, with an Armguard rush.

And god forbid you're playing a champion that relies on skill shots, in which case a sufficiently skilled Zed can just take the W on top of you to dodge your skill shot and auto you to death, if you even attempt to trade back.

You basically cannot play the game against him, and I really don't understand why this combo was buffed.

99 Comments

Sir Saltarin40 votes

Hot take: Zed is harder to play against than to actually play.

Next time a Zed monkey main claims he takes a lot of skill, just remind them that its their opponents that have to deal with a hyper mobile, low cooldown, no mana required, AoE assassin.

Dasdi9610 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-03T00:14:19.439+0000)

Hot take: Zed is harder to play against than to actually play.

Next time a Zed monkey main claims he takes a lot of skill, just remind them that its their opponents that have to deal with a hyper mobile, low cooldown, no mana required, AoE assassin.

Many of these "high skill champs" need someone of very high skill to play against. This is why they are very strong in low elo.

oortoomeebreesuu16 votes

not the copypasta we need, but the copypasta we deserve

Saevum3 votes

At least he is showing potential as a riot support section employee...

General Matty1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-03T00:14:19.439+0000)

Hot take: Zed is harder to play against than to actually play.

Next time a Zed monkey main claims he takes a lot of skill, just remind them that its their opponents that have to deal with a hyper mobile, low cooldown, no mana required, AoE assassin.

Hot take is gonna be the new ''unpopular opinion''

Fízz v220 votes

because zed players kept saying he is weak and his community is big xd

sit kid1 votes

Fizz is also trash and I'm not even a Fizz player

Wadu Hek Man19 votes

"Unavoidable W+E+Q combo" Have you tried dodging?

Yenn15 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wadu Hek Man,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-03T01:21:56.169+0000)

"Unavoidable W+E+Q combo" Have you tried dodging?

You can't dodge it without mobility, period. If he aims it directly at your center from 400-500 range, the projectile moves too fast for any champion slowed by E to avoid. There is literally no direction you can move in that gets you far enough away to not be hit.

Have you tried actually playing against a Zed who isn't a handicapped monkey? Obviously not.

Daiki Kato6 votes

Then you're just dumb enough to stay in range of his w. I mean, it's true that Zed is hard to play against as an immobile mage, but if you have the minimum required brain cells, you can :

  • Stay away from his w range, and only farm with autos if safe and use your abilities to last hit and poke him at the same time (hit them both at once). It's possible, if you cannot do at least that, you have no right to talk., that is a silver level game knowledge
  • Take the essential runes, items and summs. Take barrier or exhaust (don't tell me you take ignite :DD), stopwatch rune, and armbands then continue with your core item (luden's I think) then complete zonhya.
  • If he used his w pre 6 don't be afraid to poke him, you got 20 seconds where you can do whatever you want to him.
  • When he ults you, he appears BEHIND you, at that time, you can stun him and do your usual combo no ? Being only 200k on Zed, I'm also 100k+ on 4 other mid lane mages, so I know by heart how to deal with him and never lost lane against him, unless I misplayed, which means that you still got a long way to go if you still claim you can't deal with him, playing a champion that relies on one type of combo and still carrying her games, against a champion with a lot of counter plays available, and some are even given free by riot :))
Wadu Hek Man3 votes

Last time I checked, Zed W is a 20 second cooldown at level one, and unless your IQ is in the single digits, you don't max it. The most CDR a Zed will usually ever get in laning phase is 30%, assuming they bring transcendence. So even with 30% CDR in the laning phase its still a 14 second cooldown. He throws his combo, you pay attention to the timer, and you can out trade him just by playing his cooldowns.

The Chillin2 votes

INCORRECT! Playing in diamond i can safely pick kassadin and not worry about getting gibbed pre 6, Zed is very bad and is good at punishing worse players.

TehRamboCow16 votes

Hot take: I'd take the opinion of 1 Faker over the opinion of 1000 board's users.

boricCentaur114 votes

Its only unavoidable if you stand still. Like maybe try to learn to play vs or play as him since he was one barely buffed and in some cases nerfed it was a change and two he was not op and is still not op.

TrollsShouldDie12 votes

Because after work, all the Riot employees go home and play Zed.

WarmAndCrispy11 votes

It's an adjustment not a buff. They slightly increased his early game damage but nerded his late game pretty hard.

I'm drowning in the river of tears in here.

Light Burner10 votes

Riot was right the boards are useless.

Craft Zeppelin6 votes

Its hilarious when you see Zed players say "That change was a nerf". These guys are chimpanzees, that would only admit their champion is buffed until their shurikens become a point and click.

Light Burner9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-03-03T07:21:48.597+0000)

Its hilarious when you see Zed players say "That change was a nerf". These guys are chimpanzees, that would only admit their champion is buffed until their shurikens become a point and click.

Check the numbers before you talk monkey.

Craft Zeppelin3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-03-03T08:07:42.629+0000)

Check the numbers before you talk monkey.

HAHAHA! LMAO see what came from the jungle! So you ARE the demographic who believes Zed's Q should be a point and click lol

Light Burner5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-03-03T08:19:14.873+0000)

HAHAHA! LMAO see what came from the jungle! So you ARE the demographic who believes Zed's Q should be a point and click lol

Where does the changes say anything about zed's Q being point and click???

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-03T22:45:24.119+0000)

Where does the changes say anything about zed's Q being point and click???

Can't you read? That is what you Zed mains have been lobbying for 5 whole seasons in this board.

Light Burner5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-03T23:43:22.347+0000)

Can't you read? That is what you Zed mains have been lobbying for 5 whole seasons in this board.

Thats literally just false info.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=000700000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T00:02:20.543+0000)

Thats literally just false info.

No its not. You guys have also literally lobbied for hard cc to be added to his kit last year. "koz Eve/leblanc/rengar has it" I still remember that shitshow you guys did with Rengar/Shaco mains that came from the reddit boards.

Light Burner3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=0007000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T02:43:27.276+0000)

No its not. You guys have also literally lobbied for hard cc to be added to his kit last year. "koz Eve/leblanc/rengar has it" I still remember that shitshow you guys did with Rengar/Shaco mains that came from the reddit boards.

You're generalizing because "you guys" isnt all of us so using it against what i say is pointless.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=00070000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T03:26:38.986+0000)

You're generalizing because "you guys" isnt all of us so using it against what i say is pointless.

Oh. I do remember that post having like 30 upvotes though and being on the hot topic section although it was clearly being a fabracation. I think I can generalize "you guys" because it clearly shows how "Zed mains" think because it is the majority of their views.

"You guys" want Zed's shurikens to be point and click, and his ult to have a stun. That was your communes opinion last year. You people are literally spam.

Light Burner3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=000700000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T03:30:13.706+0000)

Oh. I do remember that post having like 30 upvotes though and being on the hot topic section although it was clearly being a fabracation. I think I can generalize "you guys" because it clearly shows how "Zed mains" think because it is the majority of their views.

"You guys" want Zed's shurikens to be point and click, and his ult to have a stun. That was your communes opinion last year. You people are literally spam.

30 upvotes = majority of zed mains? on top of this being straight from your memory. Feel free to show a link and tell me how many zed mains there actually are because i believe there is alot more than 60.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Light Burner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=0007000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T05:46:43.198+0000)

30 upvotes = majority of zed mains? on top of this being straight from your memory. Feel free to show a link and tell me how many zed mains there actually are because i believe there is alot more than 60.

That post was downvoted by a 40. So 70 thats a total of upvotes. That is how ridiculous your community is. You guys legit come from the reddit boards, coordinate a childish attempt to sabotage the boards every year on a regular basis using sock accounts. I've seen this being done for 4 years.

You guys seriously need to stop roleplaying as your weeb Ninja.

Your reddit commune along with the rengar one is just a pathetic joke. At least the Draven mains are hilarious.

Light Burner4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=00070000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-04T05:50:42.436+0000)

That post was downvoted by a 40. So 70 thats a total of upvotes. That is how ridiculous your community is. You guys legit come from the reddit boards, coordinate a childish attempt to sabotage the boards every year on a regular basis using sock accounts. I've seen this being done for 4 years.

You guys seriously need to stop roleplaying as your weeb Ninja.

Your reddit commune along with the rengar one is just a pathetic joke. At least the Draven mains are hilarious.

So theres million of players that play this game. 70 upvotes from your "memory" means all zed mains nice logic.

AP Zed2 votes

The people who complain about Zed don't read, much less do math. +10 flat q dmg plus 10% on the skillshot is OBVIOUSLY more damage than you'd get off the ad reap... that gave about 25... ABORT ABORT!! Flawed logic found! XD the W buff was a LONG time coming, mages take potshots for 3 spell rotations in 20 seconds THEN Zed can answer with more than just a Q. But they won't admit this, cause it would mean they just played incorrectly.

Titanium706 votes

They've seen Yasuos banrate and so the grandmasters of balance locked them selfes into a sealed room for 3 nights to come up with a solution. When the doors opened they shared their miracolus plan:

Let's break another Champ so more people ban this one instead of Yasuo!

[slayer-jinx-catface]

qss04 votes

Pretty sure he will get a skin in one or two patches.

Craft Zeppelin2 votes

{quoted}

https://gyazo.com/3d9cd06c7e8a7113c3dd95dd46923f55

LMFAO

Gold 2 killing off a plat 3 just because he picked zed kek lol Or MAYBE it was "ALL SKILLZ" and "GIT GUD" like these trolls say.

iiRebs4 votes

Hmmm, a gold 2 who did most damage, had most cs, and recieved 9.6 op.gg score. Maybe, just maybe it was a smurf with high mmr.

JoeMG3 votes

TIL Zed' s combo is unavoidable.

The Chillin2 votes

Fun fact: If you think Zed is "easy" or "too strong" you are bad and need to improve and climb out of gold/silver.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Chillin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=001c,timestamp=2019-03-04T05:06:06.828+0000)

Fun fact: If you think Zed is "easy" or "too strong" you are bad and need to improve and climb out of gold/silver.

Yeah yeah try talking that to that pro who got overkilled using cassiopeia. I bet you are better than him. Why haven't you applied? You are schooling us here, so why haven't you went the arena and shouted "LOW ELO PLAT" to said player personally through the microphone and overtaken his controls and show him how its done?

i would personally love to see that since its absolutely hilarious.

The Chillin2 votes

Fun fact: that cassio lost her flash to a gank, and was level 5. Thinking an assassin with a level lead AT LEVEL 6 doesn't deserve that kill when he lands everything and plays correctly is a very incorrect mindset and shouldn't be taken seriously.

The Chillin2 votes

You mean the level 5? Flashless? Cassiopeia? Yeah lmao, implying that immobile champions without flash should survive perfectly played all ins under perfect conditions is hilariously unintelligent XD

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Chillin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=001c00000001,timestamp=2019-04-04T04:25:54.659+0000)

You mean the level 5? Flashless? Cassiopeia? Yeah lmao, implying that immobile champions without flash should survive perfectly played all ins under perfect conditions is hilariously unintelligent XD

Its been a month already. Why haven't you applied to Invictus gaming? Surely you would have got your Visa by now.

The Chillin2 votes

You again didn't even respond to the comment. You seem to go around being objectively wrong, then change the subject on every forum post. You should really fix that bro.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Chillin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=001c0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-04-04T07:29:50.482+0000)

You again didn't even respond to the comment. You seem to go around being objectively wrong, then change the subject on every forum post. You should really fix that bro.

Because I think trolling netstalkers who are salty for a month old comment is fun? You NEVER needed to come back here. BRO I'll give you this upvote for the effort though.

The Chillin2 votes

I logged on after a month, and checked notifications. Far from what I'd call netstalking. I do take joy in correcting wrong opinions though.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Chillin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=001c000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-04T19:38:28.188+0000)

I logged on after a month, and checked notifications. Far from what I'd call netstalking. I do take joy in correcting wrong opinions though.

No excuse can be made for the fact you came back for a month old grudge that everybody stopped talking about. Zed's broke as fk and you guys told the community it was "nerfs" for a whole month. He is even being prepared for nerfs as we speak now. And he wouldn't be viable for another 6 months as usual. ADCs would complain. supports would complain and so would the frontliners and you would find the whole game is against you. Just like season 7. I do care about my main champion, but I would not lie about it to gain some petty buffs because it would potentially lead to overbuff (like this case) and would make it literally impossible to play.

Nothing is credible about you guys. You even lobby and try to jack the boards and reddit just like the Rengar/Shaco mains and repeat this cycle for a whole 4 years. Even if league reaches its 20th season. I could tell you guys would be still doing it. All the sake for some petty buffs when you already have 51% winrate even in diamond/master/challenger tier.

The Chillin2 votes

I logged in and clicked notifications. Am I supposed to not do that? Forgive me o great forum spamming god. I must have sinned in your eyes. ALSO, your invalid viewpoints and biased claims due to frustrations against the champion do not represent the balance of the champion. The adjustment that gives Zed a stronger level 1-6 and weaker 7-18, while opening up his trade pattern to more than once every 22 seconds was and is fine. Calling it any more than that is silly and inaccurate. His rise to power can be attributed more to the power trimming of the S tier mages and items over the past several patches. ADC's complain about everything, that's their main skill. Their class is STILL the most powerful even after the tuning done most recently. Adc has and will remain to have the most impact on games due to their cost efficient and slot efficient items that they can apply frequently from range. I would argue that no support in diamond cares about Zed other than a few squishy enchanters like an unfed Janna and maybe Sona. Alistar, Lulu, Leona, etc. don't really care about him.

As far as your claims about the Zed community, we had a damn near unplayable champ for 2 years that we held on to. While silly people kicked and screamed every time they managed to die to him in low elo. (again no players in diamond cared at all when Zed was picked on the enemy team.) Meanwhile ADCs still cry while they have the most power in the game, mage players are equally over entitled on the 2nd strongest role in the game. They DEFINITELY have riots favor for items as a whole (both classes) If a champ we play is strong no one complains (refer to season 3 Zed, a strong champ that people didn't think was OP, but did his job) 51% winrate in diamond+ is acceptable. Considering how few people main him in each elo. Diamond: 1.6% of the players main Zed, a completely reasonable statistic. Devoting many games to a champion should result in a positive winrate. Asking for players with 200 games on a champion to have a 50% wr or lower is outlandish and objectively wrong. In master his wr is 50.6% which, again is even slightly low considering how insanely high the champion's skill ceiling is and how well you are REQUIRED to play him to compete at that elo. It could even be higher in my opinion. Also, again, Zed's damage was increased levels 1-6, after level 6, he NO LONGER GAINS THE AD REAP, making his scalings lower, his auto attacks deal less, and deathmark deal less. The only thing that could be considered a buff is his W, which AGAIN, is a completely fair buff that was a long time coming.

EDIT: I was incorrect, Zed's winrate in easier regions like EUNE, OCE, etc skew this winrate. the major servers with good competition:

KR Diamond: 53.4% wr, mained by 1% of playerbase in diamond KR Masters+: 52.9% wr, mained by 0.7% of playerbase in masters+ (it is worth pointing out how insanely small this playerbase is)

NA Diamond: 50.8% wr, mained by 1.7% of the playerbase in diamond NA Masters+: 48.2% wr, mained by 1.9% of the playerbase in masters+ (it is worth pointing out how insanely small this playerbase is)

EUW Diamond: 51.7% wr, mained by 1.9% of the playerbase in diamond EUW Masters+: 48.2% wr, mained by 2% of the playerbase in masters+ (it is worth pointing out how insanely small this playerbase is)

None of these statistics speak to support your claims.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Chillin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=001c00000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-05T06:53:20.218+0000)

I logged in and clicked notifications. Am I supposed to not do that? Forgive me o great forum spamming god. I must have sinned in your eyes. ALSO, your invalid viewpoints and biased claims due to frustrations against the champion do not represent the balance of the champion. The adjustment that gives Zed a stronger level 1-6 and weaker 7-18, while opening up his trade pattern to more than once every 22 seconds was and is fine. Calling it any more than that is silly and inaccurate. His rise to power can be attributed more to the power trimming of the S tier mages and items over the past several patches. ADC's complain about everything, that's their main skill. Their class is STILL the most powerful even after the tuning done most recently. Adc has and will remain to have the most impact on games due to their cost efficient and slot efficient items that they can apply frequently from range. I would argue that no support in diamond cares about Zed other than a few squishy enchanters like an unfed Janna and maybe Sona. Alistar, Lulu, Leona, etc. don't really care about him.

As far as your claims about the Zed community, we had a damn near unplayable champ for 2 years that we held on to. While silly people kicked and screamed every time they managed to die to him in low elo. (again no players in diamond cared at all when Zed was picked on the enemy team.) Meanwhile ADCs still cry while they have the most power in the game, mage players are equally over entitled on the 2nd strongest role in the game. They DEFINITELY have riots favor for items as a whole (both classes) If a champ we play is strong no one complains (refer to season 3 Zed, a strong champ that people didn't think was OP, but did his job) 51% winrate in diamond+ is acceptable. Considering how few people main him in each elo. Diamond: 1.6% of the players main Zed, a completely reasonable statistic. Devoting many games to a champion should result in a positive winrate. Asking for players with 200 games on a champion to have a 50% wr or lower is outlandish and objectively wrong. In master his wr is 50.6% which, again is even slightly low considering how insanely high the champion's skill ceiling is and how well you are REQUIRED to play him to compete at that elo. It could even be higher in my opinion. Also, again, Zed's damage was increased levels 1-6, after level 6, he NO LONGER GAINS THE AD REAP, making his scalings lower, his auto attacks deal less, and deathmark deal less. The only thing that could be considered a buff is his W, which AGAIN, is a completely fair buff that was a long time coming.

EDIT: I was incorrect, Zed's winrate in easier regions like EUNE, OCE, etc skew this winrate. the major servers with good competition:

KR Diamond: 53.4% wr, mained by 1% of playerbase in diamond KR Masters+: 52.9% wr, mained by 0.7% of playerbase in masters+ (it is worth pointing out how insanely small this playerbase is)

NA Diamond: 50.8% wr, mained by 1.7% of the playerbase in diamond NA Masters+: 48.2% wr, mained by 1.9% of the playerbase in masters+ (it is worth pointing out how insanely small this playerbase is)

EUW Diamond: 51.7% wr, mained by 1.9% of the playerbase in diamond EUW Masters+: 48.2% wr, mained by 2% of the playerbase in masters+ (it is worth pointing out how insanely small this playerbase is)

None of these statistics speak to support your claims.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/zed/kr/diamond You wrote a large wall of nonsense and i can debunk that just by posting this. Zed gets near 54% winrate just by playing 30 times. Sure, the mid 2017-2018 period was a hard time for Zed, but wasn't that for every champion aside from Ardent censer botlane? That was not only a Zed issue, and nearly 70% of the whole game roster was a non-factor of the game unless they could be a meatshield.

Also your argument of how many mains is ridiculous. The only champs that have a higher main rate is Vladmir/Akali/Yasuo/Irelia/Sylas in mid KR. All of them are nowhere even near Zeds pickrate. So mathematically, Zed has near a 5% higher playerbase has 1% of mains compare to those 5. Does this data means anything? It is not insanely low. You are reading the data wrong by not comparing to other factors. What is the purpose of data if you can't compare it and look at only your champion?

And you think 2 years of being unviable justifies that? Play damn Mordekaiser or Syndra that I usually played. Then when you get bugged and can't leave the nexus towers because your sphere got caught, or when your ult spheres suddenly disappear and Riot doesn't give a crap when reported about bugs, you will know about what that truly means,

The Chillin2 votes

Every champion's wr in low elo (the elo that you are referring to with a 54% wr after 30 games) is very skewed. Sourcing that data is inaccurate for real players. Zed in particular was suffering the last 2 years more so that almost every other champion. His pickrate being in the middle of the top only strengthens the data given by the higher elo games. Sample size is important. Otherwise we'd have a singed situation where his wr is absolutely insane but only 20 people play him in high elo. Both Morde and Syndra were stronger than Zed throughout past 2 years. If we are just listing random bugs, Zed's R is over 100 range less than intended, sometimes you disappear when you interact with knockups while ulting, sometimes when you try to mimic spells from range they don't work at all, or consume the energy and cooldown without doing the damage or the animation. Sometimes on live servers Zed can be targeted during his ultimate. All of these haven't been fixed in 4 y ears.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Chillin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3EO7T6L7,comment-id=001c0000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-06T02:12:57.546+0000)

Every champion's wr in low elo (the elo that you are referring to with a 54% wr after 30 games) is very skewed. Sourcing that data is inaccurate for real players. Zed in particular was suffering the last 2 years more so that almost every other champion. His pickrate being in the middle of the top only strengthens the data given by the higher elo games. Sample size is important. Otherwise we'd have a singed situation where his wr is absolutely insane but only 20 people play him in high elo. Both Morde and Syndra were stronger than Zed throughout past 2 years. If we are just listing random bugs, Zed's R is over 100 range less than intended, sometimes you disappear when you interact with knockups while ulting, sometimes when you try to mimic spells from range they don't work at all, or consume the energy and cooldown without doing the damage or the animation. Sometimes on live servers Zed can be targeted during his ultimate. All of these haven't been fixed in 4 y ears.

What do you mean by "real players" those are damn KR diamond +. 30 games is enough to gauge out a sample of how exactly Zed is a high skill champ or not. Zed has not been "suffering" he received multiple buffs including the notorious cuckblade of Draktharr. Also due to the fact this games updates will be slowed because of tournament scenes, time periods of "not being viable" during worlds events is hardly supportive.

Also you cannot dismiss a argument by saying "that is skewed" because the sample of players which was the core of this talk was that you supported WAS that skewed sample. If you cannot abide and support your argument from this sample. I do not get why are we even talking here. I provided the data that was from your talk, if it is NOT the data you had in mind show me what you got. I'm actually getting interested of what you are seeing. Since I love watching statistics of this game, that I spend more time than playing the actual game.

And define "high elo". You always talk about this vague concept. What is even "high elo" in your standards? you seem to be talking exclusively players who have 100 games on their mains with above 52% winrate above masters. Is that even a sample? That is like 10% off the 1% of the whole gaming community. Provide me the data that you talk by URLs and links not by your sourceless "talks" and i would look into it to see what you say is true.

The Chillin2 votes

Zed's learning curve is a bit higher than 30 games at a diamond level. Duskblade was admittedly strong on release, currently its weak (I only buy it for the vision passive, otherwise I would buy edge of night). You keep ignoring math, references, graphs, statistics saying it "nonsense" because you don't like it or it invalidates your arguement. High elo is diamond+. I chose to reference each server, and labeled it, your choice of all elos and regions does not accurately reflect the champion's balance. For this very reason the balance team doesn't center balance on bronze/silver/gold because the skill disparity between the divisions is so vast.

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