Let's talk about excessive mobility

MOuHahaHAhahaaaa·Oct 30, 2018·48 votes·15,271 views

:) !

They must be too fast to be caught by the balance team !

58 Comments

nm1010Oct 30, 201827 votes

Inb4 somebody says Jhin is immobile.

saltranOct 30, 20184 votes

Jhin is immobile.

nm1010Oct 30, 201810 votes

Just like q augment Viktor is immobile?

Doge2020Oct 30, 20184 votes

Immobile as in no dashes in their kit.

Sure Jhin and victor can reach high MS speeds with the correct itemization and runes, but they are gonna be sub-par in terms of movement to somebody that can travel over a wall or multiple walls very fast. And no flash doesn’t count in this case.

The “mobile” champs can reach a location faster by directly going over a wall while the “immobile” champ has to walk all the way around the wall to reach the desired location.

nm1010Oct 30, 20182 votes

Both viktor and jhin are able to have spammable high movespeed that can reach 'excessive' levels as pointed out in the OP. At least one of those (viktor) is being abused in worlds, the joke was that somebody bad was going to come in here and claim high ms isn't mobility.

Lil Homie bustaOct 31, 20185 votes

What you said is 'right', but when you think about it, there's a lot of LoL names and definitions that makes no sense. Immobility means that something is unable to move, it's immobile. But here it means something else. I think calling it 'dashless' would make more sense, but at this point everybody already knows the term.

Doge2020Oct 31, 20182 votes

Yeah you right... I should have said dashless instead lol

GigglesOOct 31, 20181 votes

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Immobile as in no dashes in their kit.

Sure Jhin and victor can reach high MS speeds with the correct itemization and runes, but they are gonna be sub-par in terms of movement to somebody that can travel over a wall or multiple walls very fast. And no flash doesn’t count in this case.

The “mobile” champs can reach a location faster by directly going over a wall while the “immobile” champ has to walk all the way around the wall to reach the desired location.

Mordekaiser the standard of immobility.

Evil Bisex PlantOct 31, 20182 votes

He has a MVS buff, these are the standarts of immobility: Anivia Annie Ashe Zyra Swain Morgana KogMaw Lux Malzahar

GigglesOOct 31, 20181 votes

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He has a MVS buff, these are the standarts of immobility:

On that requires a teammate to be in front of you...

Evil Bisex PlantNov 1, 20182 votes

And Ahri requires to have her ult off CD so she's also a standart of immobility, right?

Irrelevant, every single mobility spell in the game requires something, that doesn't make it not a mobility spell - especiall when there's a line of actually 100% immobile champions.

I'm not saying Morde is mobile btw (I know how Boards work, strawman everywhere), just that if he's a prototype of immobility, he's like 50th in on that ladder.

Kats PajamasOct 31, 20182 votes

SO MASTER YI IS IMMOBILE?

Doge2020Oct 31, 20181 votes

No, he has his q which is a dash/blink. He blinks to a target and “dashes” to a few other targets to deal damage.

Frog goes mooOct 31, 20183 votes

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Immobile as in no dashes in their kit.

Sure Jhin and victor can reach high MS speeds with the correct itemization and runes, but they are gonna be sub-par in terms of movement to somebody that can travel over a wall or multiple walls very fast. And no flash doesn’t count in this case.

The “mobile” champs can reach a location faster by directly going over a wall while the “immobile” champ has to walk all the way around the wall to reach the desired location.

Gotta disagree with that. Immobile means they have neither a dash nor a MOVEMENT SPEED BUFF. Jhin has a movement speed buff, viktor has a movement speed buff. They're not immobile.

Nice try though.

Doge2020Oct 31, 20181 votes

Well yes, like another commenter said above, I should have said dashless instead of immobile lol.

But for me the idea of an immobile champ in league means a champ that can’t suddenly traverse a wall to get further away from an opponent, because the opponent has to spend a long time to walk around, which by that time the champ that dahsed is long gone.

Victor and Jhin both need a target for them to get the MS boost so I didn’t consider them that mobile. Sure they excel with chasing or kiting a target, but that is because they can use their abilities to get the MS boost. If there is nobody in range then they can’t get the MS boost at all.

I admit I wasn’t clear/was wrong about a few things.

EDIT: if you notice, you will see that I said “with the correct itemization or runes”. For example, if we give a champ like talon and a champ like Jhin the same exact runes and put them in the same simulation. They can only run and use basic abilities to maneuver, they cannot auto attack to gain MS or anything. (And they have the same items). From the same starting point, if both champs run to the same location, you will see that the talon reaches the destination far before the Jhin. In this case Jhin is immobile because he has no way to gain MS.

WAZZZUP500Nov 1, 20181 votes

Wait so does that mean Mordekaiser is a mobile champ because his w gives him movement speed towards it's target?

Frog goes mooNov 2, 20181 votes

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Wait so does that mean is a mobile champ because his w gives him movement speed towards it's target?

If you're asking this sincerely: Since mordekaiser's W buff requires an ally or minion to be present, many don't consider him to be mobile. Also, if he passes his target, he no longer receives that speed. It's almost like half of what poppy's W is. Her W gives more agency and individuality than morde. If he's caught in the jungle with no one but an enemy around, he no longer can speed up. If his ally is behind him, he no longer can speed up. Whenever someone uses the term "mobile" they usually refer to the character's individual ability to speed itself up or against another champion without items (such as triforce or cleaver that grant mobility based on phage's passive).

The best way to to determine if a champion is mobile or immobile is to put them in a room with another champion, no minions, no allies. The only thing they're able to bring is their level 1 item and their ward or oracle.

Morde would have 0 way to speed up. Jhin would. Lux would have 0 way to speed up. Viktor would Velkoz would have 0 way to speed up.

Many people believe that it's just champions like leblanc riven or rakan that take the title as "mobile." Nah

If you're just making a joke: ya lmao XD

NotAPurpleFrogOct 31, 20181 votes

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Immobile as in no dashes in their kit.

Sure Jhin and victor can reach high MS speeds with the correct itemization and runes, but they are gonna be sub-par in terms of movement to somebody that can travel over a wall or multiple walls very fast. And no flash doesn’t count in this case.

The “mobile” champs can reach a location faster by directly going over a wall while the “immobile” champ has to walk all the way around the wall to reach the desired location.

A fully maxed movement speed jhin can run faster than a dash can.

Doge2020Oct 31, 20181 votes

Yes but if he gets that fast then he is most likely fed enough to one shot everybody so that doesn’t count lol. Just be glad that in the next few patches celerity will be changed to only increase MS and doesn’t give AD/AP, so The Fast can’t one shot you with 6000 MS

Lil Homie bustaOct 30, 20187 votes

TBH I'm fine with conditional mobility like Yasuo Fiora Tryndamere . But having an On Demand high mobility spell/effect on a low cooldown or easy condition is BS Leblanc Irelia Tristana Talon Jhin . These guys don't have to work for their mobility, and most of them have no drawback for this.

ankoanko19Oct 31, 20185 votes

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TBH I'm fine with conditional mobility like . But having an On Demand high mobility spell/effect on a low cooldown or easy condition is BS . These guys don't have to work for their mobility, and most of them have no drawback for this.

HOW IS IRELIAS MOBILITY NOT CONDITIONAL WTF? Her mobility PRACTICALLY works the same fashion as Yasuos. Irelia CANT escape a bad situation reliably. Talon a bit aswell since he needs a wall if he doesnt have his ult) Nevermind how Fiora and Tryndamere can use their mobility spells whenever they want to so its not conditional at all. It's just punishing for Fiora if she doesnt Q an enemy minion/champion and punishing for Tryndamere if he doesnt crit someone.

QuortOct 31, 20181 votes

LeBlanc can escape enemies quite easily, but I don’t particularly mind that she’s slippery.

I also don’t think Distortion is excessively powerful offensively because LeBlanc literally uses herself as a projectile and sacrifices her ability to escape with Distortion which constitutes some risk.

In my opinion, what’s really obnoxious about LeBlanc is her passive because it often saves her when she misplays with her other tools or when you finally manage to outplay her.

Slam H2017Oct 30, 20185 votes

Sivir + item 3117 + R

= 720 Movement Speed

RatpieOct 30, 20185 votes

All I know, is if I wanted to play Street Fighter, I would. The amount of champs they keep making or reworking into high mobility champs is getting old.

Eryl FaunaOct 30, 20185 votes

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ProffessorAutismOct 31, 20188 votes

Akali Irelia Urgot Kaisa forces people to go afk

EklispeOct 31, 20181 votes

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Counter chart: Mobility > Damage > CC > Mobility etc. forces people to build , forces people to build , forces people to go . You have to skip out on early attack speed, cdr, or magic pen if you are forced to buy defensive boots. Just build what they don't have items lined up for and force them to change path, hindering their ability to get fed quickly. A will absolutely go cc prevention if he is forced to because otherwise he can't clutch ult, that might end up being a or it all depends, but it's one more thing he doesn't have to damage you with.

FYI Trynd can ult while cc'ed

Eryl FaunaNov 2, 20181 votes

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EklispeNov 7, 20181 votes

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Ulting ≠ clutch ulting. Cc stalls out the 5 second ult. Some comps have cc on every role. The right cc can keep Tryndamere at a proper distance to get poked to death by your adc/mid. Same goes for all the "excessive mobility" types here.

Clutch ult in my mind is ulting right before you die. Aka the most efficient use of it. How are you gonna define clutch ult for trynd.

AR URFOct 31, 20184 votes

I'm confused on Fiora . Also if you remove her dash, she's basically useless. Yasuo yeah just don't stand in minion waves and learn to side step his q. If you can't do that, it's your fault. Jhin yeah I agree. That's why I'm playing the fuck out of him. Leblanc Yeah, but they would have to rework her to change any of that. Irelia similar to yasuo. She needs minions. Ahri oh come on now. Her ult is her only engage, disengage. And if you pick on her because of her ult you'd have to list Talon Hecarim Ekko Kaisa MasterYi

JaspersOct 31, 20183 votes

Add Lucian in there, nothing frustrates me more than when I'm melee is right click on him and even with whatever speed boosts I have, I can't catch him and he just autos me to death with dashes, BorK slows or Zeal item bonus MS.

I lit your babyNov 1, 20181 votes

All dashes in the game have more range, than actual n-friend attack range. It's just ap leasure, if enemy has lucian

Kingslayer RivenOct 31, 20182 votes

laughs in riven Riven

SEKAIOct 31, 20181 votes

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laughs in riven

And Ezreal.

Kingslayer RivenOct 31, 20181 votes

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And Ezreal.

Cries in Riven

Doge2020Oct 31, 20181 votes

Laughs in Nasus with max rank wither and a Righteous Glory. spams mastery emote

Kingslayer RivenOct 31, 20181 votes

Cries after level 6

Doge2020Oct 31, 20181 votes

Laughs when reaching lvl 6 with sheen and has at least 200 stacks

Doge2020Oct 31, 20182 votes

Once I actually made a riven rage quit as Nasus because I dove her at lvl 6 while she was lvl 5. Not only did I kill her I also survived. That was one of my most favorite games as Nasus lol

FurriesAreHotOct 31, 20182 votes

Jhin having movement speed is essential to him being successful.

Now that all the "I cant read more than 1 sentence" people have downvoted, I'll give the kicker:

The AMOUNT of speed he gets is too much. I love Jhin, but he's gotta slow it down.

MausyOct 31, 20182 votes

Jhin "Until they stop me, I will keep going."

CarnicoreOct 31, 20182 votes

Yasuo and Fiora have reasonable mobility. They're squishy melees and need that mobility as a defense against getting kited, and they need to be in melee range to do meaningful damage. Zed's arguable; he's got great ranged damage with WEQ, but he's vulnerable to being ganked for like 15 seconds after using it.

LeBlanc and Ahri on the other hand have no business being so mobile. They're incredibly safe because they don't really need to get near their enemies to deal damage (well, except LeBlanc's W) and LeBlanc especially has low cooldowns on her W and R. Ahri also has almost instant hard CC to shut down anyone trying to dive her.

No opinion on Irelia's mobility. I think it's fine mobility for a skirmisher, but she needs to be either squishier or do less damage. I swear she almost always gets fed when I see her, her laning in mid is SO strong.

EyesackNov 1, 20182 votes

kassadin and kayn should be on there

Noor SakataOct 31, 20181 votes

Isn't Ahri's mobility is her Ultimate ?

MausyOct 31, 20181 votes

Quinn and Rammus are missing - if you're going to put jhinn in.

deadlychuckOct 31, 20181 votes

Remember, the NERF bat is melee range

The Pr0takuNov 1, 20181 votes

you forgot riven

BrightWîngsNov 1, 20181 votes

is Fiora really that mobile? I never felt like i had an issue with her being too fast

HochelagaNov 2, 20181 votes

I mean, in DoTA 2 there's an item that allows you to flash every 20 seconds. Also there's a hyper carry champion called Magina who can flash (VERY FAR) every 6 seconds.