Karma should get the Patch 5.10 Lulu Treatment (Increased Mana Regen Early)

Sugar Momma··9 votes·745 views

Right now, Karma is facing the same problems Lulu did before her patch 5.10 buffs. She is a slightly subpar support while finding greater success in solo lanes. She runs oom too fast early game; even if she hits the majority of her Q's, she will be oom before she has forced her opponents to back.

The mana buffs to Lulu solidified her support role and had little effect on her solo laning (which has the gold to access more mana regen anyway).

Karma is a very similar champion to Lulu - I have played hundreds of games with both. Both have a linear skillshot nuke that slows on Q and a shield on E. Both play the support role as a poking champion with decent peeling ability.

Right now, I feel that Karma runs oom early game a bit too fast, just like I did with Lulu (before patch 5.10). While Karma's Q does cost 10 mana less than Lulu's with each rank, Karma has lower CDs than Lulu.

Honestly, Karma support would be in such a better place if she got the same exact change Lulu got:

Base Mana Regeneration 6.0 --> 8.5 Mana Regeneration per level 0.8 --> 0.6

18 Comments

Sohleks3 votes

Karma is fine. Play her mid/top imo

The issue for support Karma is the support meta. Tank supports have always been naturally suited for the selfless role. Every current common support pick not named Janna is a massive tank brick wall (Janna counters this meta by making her ADC lane dominant with 2v1 shield trading and peel'ing). Karma has got a potent laning phase but she doesn't have the luxury to waste her entire mana pool poking a full tank support to death. So unless you do really well with your Q's on their ADC you will fall off.

What needs to happen for a new kind of support meta is cheaper mana regen or better AP items. . . across the board. It's not really a Karma specific issue. So buffing Karma in this way is imprudent. Especially if lemonnation insists on playing her just because of her mantrad E.

item 3092 completed is underwhelming so this needs an update. When I saw those [ridiculous] gp/10 buffs on it earlier [which got pulled as a mistake] I half believed it because of the current state of the support meta.

Sugar Momma1 votes

This is simply not true. Supports like Sona, Nami, Zyra, and Lulu all go item 3303 and do very well with it. While I do agree the item could be buffed, or supports could have better access to AP/mana regen, I do think that Karma could use this small buff. The reason I suggest this in particular is she suffers the same problems Lulu had, she's so similar to Lulu, and Lulu was helped a lot by her mana regen buff.

Hochelaga2 votes

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Sugar Momma1 votes

LOL hey MF whats up girl.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

I think that would be ideal, but as a mid laner Karma, I want her changed back to pre-rework. I hate the utility changes they gave her.

Sugar Momma1 votes

She's stronger now imo, but I think that Riot should give her this mana regen change as they did Lulu and not just change her and say "well we're done."

SnugglePuggle941 votes

For support yea she's stronger. They nerfed her laning role. That's what I hate about it.

Sugar Momma1 votes

Her support is only a bit stronger, her mid/top is actually a LOT stronger imo. Her win rate in those roles went up, and I feel strong. The mantra cd buffs are amazing, allow you to spam mantra after early game. And her main combo, Q-W-Q was buffed by .3 AP ratio (bc W went from 0.6 to 0.9). Not to mention that ginormous shield.

BakedLotion1 votes

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Her support is only a bit stronger, her mid/top is actually a LOT stronger imo. Her win rate in those roles went up, and I feel strong. The mantra cd buffs are amazing, allow you to spam mantra after early game. And her main combo, Q-W-Q was buffed by .3 AP ratio (bc W went from 0.6 to 0.9). Not to mention that ginormous shield.

The mantra cooldown is insane now. I played ARAM with 40% cdr and it was immediately up after a full W with one Q. I was literally throwing out mantra'd Q's one after another. Imagine if i was to just spam mantra w and tank their entire team lel

SnugglePuggle941 votes

True. I just don't like what they took away from her shield-the bomb effect on her RE, and didn't they take some of the healing part of her W too? I didn't like that either.

Sugar Momma1 votes

I do miss the shield bomb but with the new shield, you potentially have a 1000 HP shield on a carry late game as AP Karma.

With the healing part of her W, it was actually untouched! Previous iterations on the PBE looked to change/nerf it, but it never went live.

Rico Nasty1 votes

As a Karma main, she is quite strong in top and mid right now, and i'd rather not buff her because people would complain and she'd get nerfed. And really, she's not even made for a support, her kit is designed around being a mage.

Sugar Momma1 votes

But again, these buffs did not push Lulu mid/top over the edge. They actually helped Lulu support quite a lot.

10Tickler1 votes

Start Coin. First back buy a tear. Enjoy your newfound success as a good Karma player.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

What does she know?

agbudar1 votes

karma is a midlaner not a support have you looked at all that scaling pumped into her kit?

Sugar Momma1 votes

She can be both in a healthy way. Lux as an example, cannot support like Karma can bc she doesn't have as much utility/peeling ability when behind.

Leaf of the lake1 votes

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karma is a midlaner not a support have you looked at all that scaling pumped into her kit?

Karma has more utility than some actual supports do. Don't give me that.

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