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He has a high skill floor and you are not supposed to stay in lane with him. Later on you will be hugging your teammates most of the time.

So you arent really playing against an assassin. You are just shoving and roaming. Thats what im complaining about. But in case the assassin tries to catch you off-guard once every 90 seconds you just ult him.

Think of it this way, assuming games last 30 minutes and a fed assassin usually ends the game with 15 or so kills (best case scenario), thats a kill every 2 minutes. Thats more time than Aurelions ult cd. Due to backing, rotations, towers, grouping, summoners etc. assassins cant be making all ins every 20 seconds. Its just the pace of the game.

Ofc if you stay in lane after shoving without ult as a mage (almost any mage really) and the assassin has all his abilities up you are gonna die, but Im not even considering that scenario because thats just some bronze level midlane right there.

He takes flash+ghost/ignite/exhaust.

Okay, so lets say he takes ignite instead. Even bigger kill pressure.

He doesnt need to be mobile in combat to do his thing, which is shoving and ganking.

Ofc he isnt going to pop ghost if you havent chased him before. But if you arent gonna do an all in you arent gonna jump on him either because he is gonna outtrade you.

He clears better than any lvl 1 and 2 midlaner.

True, but it is a fact that you cant all in him as easily as a melee as many would make it sound because he out-trades you, partly due to minions.

Its one of the innate advantages of being ranged and thus it should be considered when talking about a melee vs ranged matchup. What happens in a vacuum doesnt matter because the game isnt a vacuum and we are discussing gameplay.

If you're oblivious to the damage minions can deal and walk into his wave of minions without being very ahead you deserve to lose the trade though, that's just all on you. Minions are the same for everyone, it's not part of Sol's kit it's not part of his damage. I agree that the game isn't a vacuum, and junglers exist. It's also very possible to play someone like Brand into Aurelion Sol where you can poke from about equal range and stun Sol as well, completely negating any damage from his passive. There are also junglers, and if the jungler is a Xin or Evelynn the Sol might as well not leave his tower because if he does he's going to get clapped. It's a fact that Sol really can't do anything to anyone inside his inner passive orbit, and early on while he has some of the highest DPS most people can just walk away and not die because it's DPS and not burst. If Aurelion blows his summoners to attempt to kill you early on, then gank him as soon as he tries to push the wave, it's that simple. He has no ghost to run away at that point, so it's very easy to just kill him before he can get away. If nothing else just take exhaust and stop whining about his damage early and just get your jungler to camp. You yourself said he innately pushes the lane, so use it against him. If he's pushing then he's overextended, which means free ganks.

I just give up, dude. It seems no one is even trying to read what I say.

Who gives a shit about Aurelions burst and killing potential. He isnt an assassin. You dont pick him to duel the other midlaner. When people understand that I might continue the discussion.

This is about how Aurelion would out duel anyone that jumped on him by popping ghost after they turned to walk away after the all in and leave them low enough they have to recall or simply kill them pre 6.

This is about how Aurelion will push you into tower early game and go camp botlane. He only out duels you if you jump on him, not if you play safe doing whatever. But to stop him from shoving you have to jump on him. Its a win-win scenario for him.

So, under that premise lets see your arguments again:

If you're oblivious to the damage minions can deal and walk into his wave of minions without being very ahead you deserve to lose the trade though, that's just all on you. Minions are the same for everyone, it's not part of Sol's kit it's not part of his damage.

Doesnt matter because if you dont all-in him he will shove you in.

It's also very possible to play someone like Brand into Aurelion Sol where you can poke from about equal range

Doesnt matter because he will shove you in anyway.

It's a fact that Sol really can't do anything to anyone inside his inner passive orbit, and early on while he has some of the highest DPS most people can just walk away and not die because it's DPS and not burst.

Doesnt matter because he will shove you in anyway.

If Aurelion blows his summoners to attempt to kill you early on, then gank him as soon as he tries to push the wave, it's that simple. He has no ghost to run away at that point, so it's very easy to just kill him before he can get away.

Doesnt matter because if he blows his summoners its because you are dead.

If nothing else just take exhaust and stop whining about his damage early

Doesnt matter unless you plan on stop him from shoving with exhaust. In which case its just a stupid plan that doesnt make any sense.

You yourself said he innately pushes the lane, so use it against him. If he's pushing then he's overextended, which means free ganks.

Doesnt matter because he will be botlane.

There are also junglers, and if the jungler is a Xin or Evelynn the Sol might as well not leave his tower because if he does he's going to get clapped.

This kinda matters but camp any champion and you cuck him so its not really a meaningful argument. And if Aurelion plays safe you will be wasting time for nothing while the other jungler actually snowballs the game.

You dont see how annoying Aurelion can be because you dont understand he doesnt stay in lane farming and/or poking you like a Karthus or a Syndra. He just shoves you in, ignores you and goes bot. And you cant do anything about it. But you people keep repeating "bUrST" and "pOKe" like headless chickens when no one gives a fuck about that. He is most similar to Malzahar, which is another cancer champ. And this is coming from a player who loves to spam Malzahar midlane to make the other laner feel miserable. Can you all-in Malzahar to try to prevent him from pushing? Sure, you will end up dead. You dont want to all-in him? You clearly wont die as Malzahar doesnt have insane burst, but you will be playing farming simulator under tower while Malz actually gets to play the game.

Getting back to Aurelion, level 1 and 2 your midlaner wont have his spells to trade and the jungler will still be doing buffs, so you cant really touch him there either.

And later in the game Aurelion will be tanky as a mofo and he will have ult and zhonya, but curiously no one wants to talk about that. No, better continue insisting on the only 2 levels in the game (level 4 and 5, maybe 3 too depending on the matchup) when other laners can (maybe) do something against him. Even if they could and I were wrong it so small of an opportunity it doesnt matter. Yes, it may be worth discussing but its getting all the attention when its relatively insignificant. Its just the classic boards mage bias clutching at the last straw, and its tiring.

Ah yes, quality arguments: "Doesn't matter because x." You must be a God-tier intellectual titan. Were you not the one who said that this isn't a vacuum? Junglers exist, if he shoves the lane your jungler should be camping. If you all in him with someone that is faster than he is, perhaps by taking exhaust/ghost, or if you play someone that can stun him and then get in or out of his range, effectively trading without letting him get his dps off, then you're gonna be fine. You've just got to be smart and counterpick, don't play someone that sucks into half the midlaners and expect to do well. Mordekaiser can easily go and all in Malzahar, and I've gotten shat on by a half decent Brand/Diana/Zed/Fizz every time I played Sol. You sound more like you just had a bad game and never learned to play against him. If he's not mid then take the tower or an objective, if he is mid then jungler ganks and ccs him and it's gucci. Get gud kid.

Lol get silver hard-suck making these shitty excuses while Im getting real lp gains.

You are just delusional.

lmao yep, I got you good. If the excuses were shitty you'd have refuted them, and if you gained any real LP you'd know they're pretty factual. I'm not delusional, you're just butthurt. Have a great day man, and don't lower yourself to insulting and holding grudges against people just because they beat you in a civil argument.