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If you pick Jax into Illaoi, you're gonna get fucked up.

Tentakill Myself··32 votes·21,796 views

Don't complain about how Illaoi is uncounterable and broken. You picked a melee non-tank into a Renekton like lane bully. Vladimir Quinn Gnar Gangplank Exist for a reason.

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SwapShadows7 votes

well she's broken asf, picking anyone into her is pretty much rip

Salt Miner 49 Er18 votes

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well she's broken asf, picking anyone into her is pretty much rip

Here's some tips:

  • Her Q is incredibly narrow, it's like the length of two Teemos if that and is incredibly telegraphed
  • Her W tells tentacles where to hit, fight her away from them
  • Murder her when she E's you
  • Dodge and kill tentacles if you get the debuff

Congrats, you just beat Illaoi.

SwapShadows5 votes

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Here's some tips:

  • Her Q is incredibly narrow, it's like the length of two Teemos if that and is incredibly telegraphed
  • Her W tells tentacles where to hit, fight her away from them
  • Murder her when she E's you
  • Dodge and kill tentacles if you get the debuff

Congrats, you just beat Illaoi.

no actually I didn't and even if you beat her in the laning phase her scaling is insanely broken.

one of the biggest tanks in the game currently with the ability to 1v4 late game.

warpenguin5552 votes

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no actually I didn't and even if you beat her in the laning phase her scaling is insanely broken.

one of the biggest tanks in the game currently with the ability to 1v4 late game.

assuming that they know how to teamfight with her. She can feel pretty awkward in teamfights

Salt Miner 49 Er13 votes

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no actually I didn't and even if you beat her in the laning phase her scaling is insanely broken.

one of the biggest tanks in the game currently with the ability to 1v4 late game.

Except she's not a tank. At all. She has no natural way to peel for her teammates or make you want to focus her outside of using her ultimate.

SwapShadows3 votes

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Except she's not a tank. At all. She has no natural way to peel for her teammates or make you want to focus her outside of using her ultimate.

She's literally like tahm kench, you HAVE to focus her.

and yes she is a tank, learn what a tank is before condescending someone while at that elo

Count Zubat12 votes

She is a Juggernaut. In LoL, tank is in definition someone who is hard to kill and has very good CC for either initiating team fights or peeling team mates. Juggernaut is a tanky champion with little to no mobility/CC who deals insane damage in close range, but are easily kiteable. Illaoi fits into this description. Little to no CC, little to no mobility, fuckton of damage when you are close to her.

Twiggles13 votes

Illaoi is a Juggernaut. Not a Tank. 2 different things. Lord of Iwul already explained it, but I just wanted to comment. You shoulda checked yerself before you rekt yerself. :P

SwapShadows2 votes

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Illaoi is a Juggernaut. Not a Tank. 2 different things. Lord of Iwul already explained it, but I just wanted to comment. You shoulda checked yerself before you rekt yerself. :P

doesn't change the fact that she is a tanky champion and by definition a tank with how she plays.

this is common sense lol

SaltyKracka5 votes

I know you're a dimwit zed main, but this is pretty stupid even for you.

Spicy Rice1 votes

It must be hard being that fucking savage

Salt Miner 49 Er9 votes

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She's literally like tahm kench, you HAVE to focus her.

and yes she is a tank, learn what a tank is before condescending someone while at that elo

Okay. This is coming from a person who's played multiple MMOs and other MOBAs like Dota and Smite. Illaoi is, and I repeat, is not a tank. Is she harder to kill than normal? A little bit, yes. But that's because her tentacles swatting you heal her for, oh, I don't know? 5% of her missing health.

A tank is somebody that is not only incredibly beefy, but is also able to peel for their teammates and keep a sustained fight going. Illaoi has absolutely no peel whatsoever. All she has is her E, which pulls the spirit to her and reflects the damage back at the person she and her teammates are attacking the spirit of.

You want a tank? Here's some tanks in League of Legends.

Malphite - Has a % of health scaling shield for a passive; Steals attack speed in an AoE around him and deals damage based on Armor that he has. Can initiate fights via an AoE knock-up or peel for teammates.

Rammus - Has a single target taunt that lasts ~2.5 seconds if not longer, has a damage reflect that gives his Armor and MR a hilariously huge boost. Has an AoE damage pulse that affects towers as well, can roll into people and slow them.

Sejuani - Can AoE stun people with proper aim from a distance to initiate. AoE slow, AoE damage-over-time, has a knock up and a mini-stun.

Sion - Has a % health scaling shield that can stack infinitely, An AoE linear stun that's incredibly telegraphed that's just a slow if not charged up. Can initiate from halfway across the map with his ultimate. Has a linear slow with armor reduction due to his shout.

What're all these things they have in common? They're beefy and they're more focused on helping the team over doing massive amounts of ungodly damage. The Juggernauts of League of Legends are there to be the new Tanky DPS. Get over yourself.

SwapShadows1 votes

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Okay. This is coming from a person who's played multiple MMOs and other MOBAs like Dota and Smite. Illaoi is, and I repeat, is not a tank. Is she harder to kill than normal? A little bit, yes. But that's because her tentacles swatting you heal her for, oh, I don't know? 5% of her missing health.

A tank is somebody that is not only incredibly beefy, but is also able to peel for their teammates and keep a sustained fight going. Illaoi has absolutely no peel whatsoever. All she has is her E, which pulls the spirit to her and reflects the damage back at the person she and her teammates are attacking the spirit of.

You want a tank? Here's some tanks in League of Legends.

Malphite - Has a % of health scaling shield for a passive; Steals attack speed in an AoE around him and deals damage based on Armor that he has. Can initiate fights via an AoE knock-up or peel for teammates.

Rammus - Has a single target taunt that lasts ~2.5 seconds if not longer, has a damage reflect that gives his Armor and MR a hilariously huge boost. Has an AoE damage pulse that affects towers as well, can roll into people and slow them.

Sejuani - Can AoE stun people with proper aim from a distance to initiate. AoE slow, AoE damage-over-time, has a knock up and a mini-stun.

Sion - Has a % health scaling shield that can stack infinitely, An AoE linear stun that's incredibly telegraphed that's just a slow if not charged up. Can initiate from halfway across the map with his ultimate. Has a linear slow with armor reduction due to his shout.

What're all these things they have in common? They're beefy and they're more focused on helping the team over doing massive amounts of ungodly damage. The Juggernauts of League of Legends are there to be the new Tanky DPS. Get over yourself.

every single one of those champions has massive damage aside from sion.

have you actually played league of legends? play a few games and you'll see most tanks in the game are capable to doing ridiculous amounts of damage no matter what riot classifies them as, illaoi is just another tank with broken scaling and abilities.

TurquoiseYoshi7 votes

Sion honestly does the most damage of those, with the exception of a Kog'Maw getting taunted by a spiked Rammus. Although you would be excused for mixing up current Sej with OP Sej from the early Cinderhulk times.

Anidan6 votes

I dunno.. I'd honestly say Sejuani does more damage than Sion, but that's what she got by paying for it with durability. She's not as durable as Sion, but she has more damage. A fair trade-off.

Yuri By Mail1 votes

I don't mean to sound like I agree with this guy's trash that you're responding to, but you haven't seen a hyper-carry until you see that 600 Armor Malphite press e and w.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Yeah, but the trade-off is that he then had no MR, which, if he gets away with it, is an enormous failure by his opponent.

Yuri By Mail1 votes

With these all-AD comps it's no surprise to see it happen.

He can get ~90 armor with basic seals and just being a champion (before his w) making 5 100 armor items +a item 3026 covering up that (a bit). Then you bring in the passive on w to help make up for it.

I have nightmares of a ranked game gone wrong when a 600 armor Malphite was deleting people.

Troy2426211 votes

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Except she's not a tank. At all. She has no natural way to peel for her teammates or make you want to focus her outside of using her ultimate.

Splitting hairs, you know what he meant. She's tanky while pumping out a very large amount of damage end game while not being tremendously weak early.

I'm not saying she's the most broken thing since release Xin Zhao but the status quo is not okay.

Troy2426211 votes

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Except she's not a tank. At all. She has no natural way to peel for her teammates or make you want to focus her outside of using her ultimate.

Splitting hairs, you know what he meant. She's tanky while pumping out a very large amount of damage end game while not being tremendously weak early.

I'm not saying she's the most broken thing since release Xin Zhao but the status quo is not okay.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

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Here's some tips:

  • Her Q is incredibly narrow, it's like the length of two Teemos if that and is incredibly telegraphed
  • Her W tells tentacles where to hit, fight her away from them
  • Murder her when she E's you
  • Dodge and kill tentacles if you get the debuff

Congrats, you just beat Illaoi.

Yeah but if she gets an ult off on 3+ your health bars just vanish in a split second.

I honestly think her ratios are a bit too high. Feels like she's dealing too much damage for how tanky she gets. She's not a juggernaut, she has mobility and CC.

Puppet33r1 votes

Her Q is also very forgiving. So many times I stood just outside of it and still got hit. And the new and improved minion block doesn't help with that either.

Trying to fight her after she hit her e is a serious disadvantage especially if you are melee. It means you are taking 125%+ of her damage.

And once you get debuffed, you spend the next 0,5-1 minute hunting for tentacles. It's not hard but it does take you out of the game for a substantial period of time. You lose farm, you lose exp, while she gets a chance to get a free kill doing nothing if you get careless or if your teammate will be unlucky enough to start a recall next to you with negative hp.

Meep Man5 votes

Heres some tips: DODGE!

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

because its easy to dodge her E and Q and ult with 3 tentacles around you right so easy.

darkmatchwaldo2 votes

The E-Q combo is so easy to dodge it's not like it goes through minions so uhm yeah pretty much. If you got into her ult range, you kinda deserve to die.

warpenguin5557 votes

B-B-But, i cant win against her with Riven or Fiora. Why should I have to expand my champion pool or learn counterplay. Thats stupid. If I cant steamroll something, then it has to be broken, right?

Criomhthann2 votes

Neither of those should be losing to Illaoi.

warpenguin5556 votes

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Neither of those should be losing to Illaoi.

Dammit. Guess imaginary bronze guy is REALLY bad XD

IceKingChernobog1 votes

is volibear good against her?

SuicideJ1 votes

Extremely. I rip her face off with pleasure.

Quort1 votes

Pffft... Back in my day we never would have allowed an armored bear into the Legue. :/

The Ellimiist5 votes

I like how people think a 42% winrate champ is broken.

Salron27 votes

It's almost like nearly every champion has a bad winrate on release because everyone is new to her. Shocking I know.

IcyPepper5 votes

Remember how Fiora got a buff via hotfix on release?

Does nobody learn?

Left Hook Larry4 votes

I remember these boards begging for a buff because "her ult was shit and she's useless"

Then we all know what happened

The Ellimiist1 votes

Not true at all but go on >.>

Davy Crockett1 votes

Ekko My calculations were wrong, Be back in a summoner 4

Redaga1 votes

she itself is not broken, (Yasuo tier) but some abilities are extremely overpowered/ annoying especially her E, also the tentacles she spawn, can trigger passives on hit, like item 3071

Extvia4 votes

Yasuo isn't even broken, his winrate keeps falling and gets countered by competent players that know the value of picking CC instead of everyone wanting to play some kind of no disable squishy DPS carry ಠ_ಠ

Redaga3 votes

people have learned and adapted to Yasuo, (one of the advantages of riot not modifying his kit), hell, I can bully a Yasuo on lany phase with Xerath.

but when you look at his kit from an objective point, he is clearly Overpowered

Beuhlakor3 votes

Anything that has better early game and is all-in shit on Illaoi.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that she is balanced (even though imo she is far less broken that what people seem to think), but Olaf / Darius / Renekton / Trundle shit on her.

And she does really struggle hard against ranged (Kayle is an excellent pick against Illaoi).

Just be careful of her wombo-combo at lvl 6 (E near a tentacle then ulti + rollface on keyboard) and it is quite easy.

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

Renekton doesn't have 3 other mini renektons attacking you and healing him and he doesn't have an ability that makes you useless for a good 30-45 seconds. that bitch doesn't even let you farm under the tower.

Lumen Sage1 votes

Why are you fighting her with three tentacles in range?

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

because her tentacles are EVERHWERE.

Stephenizgod2 votes

Kindred

I thought i was invincible because of how OP Illaoi is, until Kindred smeared me across the Rift like an insect... It was hilariously unfun, nothing i could do they could dodge the tents and poke at the same time, if i use E on them im dead lol their E and W make sure of that. Their ult is annoyingly annoying and the percent hp damage started to rack up, plus they knew my kit and stayed behind minions so i couldnt E or went full ham on me when i did land it so i couldnt proc it.

Also TahmKench... ye i couldnt win this lol he could do over 800 magic damage fairly easily wit his Devour...

C9 Scott Free 2 votes

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Kindred

I thought i was invincible because of how OP Illaoi is, until Kindred smeared me across the Rift like an insect... It was hilariously unfun, nothing i could do they could dodge the tents and poke at the same time, if i use E on them im dead lol their E and W make sure of that. Their ult is annoyingly annoying and the percent hp damage started to rack up, plus they knew my kit and stayed behind minions so i couldnt E or went full ham on me when i did land it so i couldnt proc it.

Also TahmKench... ye i couldnt win this lol he could do over 800 magic damage fairly easily wit his Devour...

Kindred has broken laning though

groovemachine2 votes

i've absolutely wrecked her with Olaf

Rogue Revenant2 votes

Illaoi is FAR from broken but there are some things on her that seem a little... off. I played a game recently where I played against her top and literally stomped her into the dirt. She left lane 0/5 with a severe CS deficiency because dying OP, but towards the end of the game she was a nigh unstoppable beast. Her heal in particular seemed absurdly high since it's a % of her max health (unless I'm mistaken), and she was another champion that can build almost pure tank and deal ridiculous amounts of damage.

She's absolutely not broken. But does perhaps need to be tweaked.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Her heal in particular seemed absurdly high since it's a % of her max health (unless I'm mistaken)

It's percent missing health.

Also, are any Illaoi players actually building pure tank?

She seems like she would want Black Cleaver and Sterak's Gage for damage at the very least.

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