I feel like ziggs has way too much waveclear.

Craft Zeppelin··3 votes·595 views

I just had a ranked game on my smurf in which the enemy ziggs just spammed all his spells **including his satchel **on my minons, ran out of all mana in like 5 mins in the game and still permanantly waveclear. After making his tear he continued to spam his spells from darn fog of war and did not even try to trade harass. (To make this more hillarious when our fiddlesticks support roamed at lvl 4 he used his barrier at the mere sight of him. Although he was not even feared.) I did roam because there was almost no point, got some kills. But he just continued to do it all game and I was eventually taken hostage at midlane. We found out that the game was stalled as long as he lives, and it went to a 65 min game. We won eventually because our teemo bravely went on a stealth ops mission and took two inhibs for us but it was stressful as hell.

I know around season 4 ziggs poke meta made the game EXTREMELY stale, that even casters and viewers were bored at LCS. As ziggs has reared his head again can we address this problem once more? I know his strengths are wave clear but it needs to be toned down. (Like viktor) Especially since he is travelling to botlane as adc.

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ViiLLAiN1 votes

ziggs is made to wave clear though thats like his unique thing

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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ziggs is made to wave clear though thats like his unique thing

Well thats what I wrote, but its like way too much. Remember VIktor was nerfed last year just because of this.

Meep Man3 votes

Viktor's made to AoE burst champions and this came with the unintended effect of his wave clear. He is very reliable at bursting people. However, Ziggs on the other hand is much less reliable in bursting people in an AoE, so he gets to have his wave clear. Plus, Ziggs' crowd control potential is low.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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Viktor's made to AoE burst champions and this came with the unintended effect of his wave clear. He is very reliable at bursting people. However, Ziggs on the other hand is much less reliable in bursting people in an AoE, so he gets to have his wave clear. Plus, Ziggs' crowd control potential is low.

Ok, I get the point there. But I think that a champion that can stall out the game really hard, which also scales hard into late game since he is a cannon mage is game wise pretty crass.

On the other hand artillery was used for centuries and was the most impactful thing that came to war. Maybe it is inevitable that this is the way it goes...mmm

ViiLLAiN1 votes

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Well thats what I wrote, but its like way too much. Remember VIktor was nerfed last year just because of this.

difference is vik had one ability to one shot a wave ziggs uses his whole kit to do that vik only needed his e

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