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Sion Q reduced damage on minions should go away if Riot wants more Q max

Spoofghoul·4/26/2018, 10:59:33 AM·10 votes·5,159 views

The Q has very little going for it imho

Riot's latest attempt at making Q max more interesting over E max had the opposite effect.

Q is simply too unreliable for damage and mostly useful for the stun/zoning

It also falls of kinda badly due to champion natural armor and health scaling so it's not even a damage threat from mid game onward.

The latest set of changes is basically an early game nerf that affects the tank play style the least i guess since that one doesn't really rely on it's damage anyway. Still Sion being more reliant on farm then other tanks for scaling will be hurt by this since you kind of want to get rolling early on to farm them stacks!

If Riot wants to make us rank Q more often or actually make it a valid option then why not get rid of the reduced damage to minions & monsters through ranking it up. they can keep the current change as well.

Right now E does everything better poke, wave clear,damage etc

At least make Q better in 1 aspect over E maxing and then it would at least have some way to compete with maxing the E

If Q could actually be used for farming more efficiently then i would max it a lot more often over the E though that would still be depending on the matchup. Right now i and other sion players are still maxing E into any matchup since it's still the best option in every scenario

12 Comments

Meep Man4/26/2018, 2:38:47 PM11 votes

This is what they need to change in my opinion:

Q- Decimating Smash Damage vs Monsters: 80% -> 80/85/90/95/100% Damage vs Minions: 60% -> 40/55/70/85/100%

E- Roar of the Slayer Damage: 70/105/140/175/210 (+40% AP) -> 60/80/100/120/140 (+50% AP) (preserves AP Sion for off-build) Damage Bonus if it hits and sends a unit flying: 30% -> 50% Armor Shred: 20% -> 30% Armor Shred and Slow Duration: 2.5 -> 3 seconds

The changes to Q make it much better to max for it's usefulness in clearing minions, while the changes to his E make it an even more powerful ability at Level 1, but not through just raw damage. It also makes you value the armor shred portion of the ability much more.

Big Lincoln4/26/2018, 4:13:56 PM3 votes

we should buff sion if we want to nerf him

???

Ultîma4/26/2018, 3:49:11 PM1 votes

I just can't believe that out of all his abilities, the one thing Riot seems to want out of Sion is to be a long-range E-harass spammer. I could not think of something less appropriate for a character that's supposed to be a berserker/juggernaut like Sion.

MegaHuff4/26/2018, 4:07:37 PM1 votes

I play a fair share of Sion. I don't claim to be pro or anything, but I agree with the sentiment that the Q nerf was kind of unnecessary. Isn't the point that they want it be a more enticing choice, not a less enticing choice?

At the end of the day, I like Q because of the decent knockup with a good area and cooldown. Nerfing the damage just makes it seem less like something I want to build into.

Ifneth4/26/2018, 8:02:42 PM1 votes

How about we move the de-buff from his Q to his E? He would then have a meaningful choice: waveclear or poke.

The Sword Saint4/26/2018, 8:25:20 PM1 votes

Sion is already a laner who can just instant waveclear his way out of most matchups without giving the other laner much opportunity to do anything in response. Increasing his waveclear from q would make him even more able to mindlesly shove and roam, the same thing that midlaners are getting punished for right this moment even though they are the role who is most designed for roaming due to their position on the map and earlier access to levels.

ModAcademy Kayn4/26/2018, 9:56:22 PM1 votes

I max Q cause I ain't a bitch.

heroikc4/26/2018, 2:28:28 PM1 votes

And I thought that was the job of his shield and yell XD

2Charmnot2Charm4/26/2018, 10:09:07 PM1 votes

Sion Q reduced damage on minions should go away if Riot wants more Q max

Then sion just waves clear better than most other champs with the greatest of ease.

He's already annoying enough to deal with if you're not a fighter.

Tokogawaruf4/26/2018, 2:44:27 PM1 votes

As a Jungle Sion Player i never ever maxed E.

I max W. This thing is literally a bomb. Perfect for tanking Monster Dmg and then do aoe Dmg before it would expire. It also has this nice little "wtf" effect on Enemies hit by it when ganking. Those panic flashs always give me a nice chuckle.