So...Velkoz can endlessly spam in and out of lane

Seenan··5 votes·837 views

Why? All his abilities are super spammable, including his ult because his mana costs are incredibly negligable...This is like the Fiora of mid-lane, with her manacosts being basically nonexistent as well (only, she can't poke you from 1000 range away). Ironically, both have true damage.

His max manacosts are 60-70 with ult being 100 at max, his cooldowns are max 80 for ult and 7-15-12 for his abilities...but since he pretty much always builds Morello, his cooldowns are even less with even less relevant mana costs (due to the 400 mana gain).

I'm not asking to nerf all of what I've mentioned, but at least increase mana costs or something. Probably a reason he's 53% winrate with a ~5% pickrate on champ.gg atm.

Annie and Ahri also have 7-13% pickrates with relative winrates. Annie got a nerf. Ahri's seen as balanced. Vel got a buff in 6.11 that makes his ult proc true damage? Ontop of the previous changes that tried to give a niche to Vel, then that idea was just scrapped, reverted, but the new Researched business stayed in.

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Rustling Bush2 votes

because thats how he was made?

Seenan1 votes

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because thats how he was made?

That's why reworks exist. Or nerfs. Either way. Their 'rework' of Vel to niche him backfired and they reverted the nerfs they had for his niche.

Penns1 votes

He probably shouldnt have burst mage- like damage when thunderlords then tho.

specter4241 votes

I wasnt aware Velkoz even had mana costs

Voidner1 votes

This is what vel'koz supposed be... A burst mage that be countered VERY easily which should've known

Koala Frenzy1 votes

Riot design hates mana bars. But they also know people complain about manaless champions. So to bandaid it they give everything a huge mana pool and ensure Q never costs more than 50.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Because all of it is dodgeable.

Leo10241 votes
  • no peel
  • vulnerable to ganks
  • extremely slow
  • can't chase an enemy
  • terrible at split pushing
  • super squishy all game
  • ALL of his abilities are skill shots
  • ult can be interrupted
  • ult only does true damage if 3 stacks of deconstruction are applied
  • mana costs ARE significant, you can just spam, I play velkoz a lot and it uses mana pretty fast when you try to push a lane out, stop crying and learn to play against him, people complained about Taliyah and Azir and they got gutted both sitting at a 43% win rate
Seenan1 votes

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  • no peel
  • vulnerable to ganks
  • extremely slow
  • can't chase an enemy
  • terrible at split pushing
  • super squishy all game
  • ALL of his abilities are skill shots
  • ult can be interrupted
  • ult only does true damage if 3 stacks of deconstruction are applied
  • mana costs ARE significant, you can just spam, I play velkoz a lot and it uses mana pretty fast when you try to push a lane out, stop crying and learn to play against him, people complained about Taliyah and Azir and they got gutted both sitting at a 43% win rate

And mains can still fuck you up. There was no playing against Azir as certain champs unless he's outplayed. Just needs to make a ROA or Rylai and he suddenly becomes a lot harder to delete. I can beat him in lane, it's just stupid that he can derp in lane and get somewhere. Supposed be punished for farming with spells as a mana champ. Pre-morello, pre-any mana regen.

Midgame only needs 1-2 Ws and suddenly the wave is clear. Yes, so much mana being used......? No, his mana costs are nothing. Even Ahri who's the staple for balanced midlaner (according to people) has higher mana costs.

Leo10241 votes

trust me i'm a taliyah main and it's so much harder to actually play her well, sure her kit is nice but wave clear is sub-par and doesn't do great damage, viable? maybe, but to the untrained taliyah player? no, hence her 43% winrate, same for azir

as for velkoz you'll clear 1 wave with two W's and an E with some autos, super quick but now you need to wait about 30 seconds to have 2 W's up again and another 10 for your E, he uses monstrous amounts of mana if you just spam and when he's oom he's completely useless just like any other mage

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Yeah I only see that happening if Vel was going for a tear build, which isn't optimal.

Seenan1 votes

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Yeah I only see that happening if Vel was going for a tear build, which isn't optimal.

With his mana-costs being low, all he needs is a Morello. I dunno if he ever builds ROA, but that gives mana too. Then he can practically spam 5ever.

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