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Can we revisit how much of a shit show bottom lane is, and adjust its agency accordingly?

Yenn··2 votes·1,017 views

I'm trying to play ADC in normals, and it's the most frustrating thing I have ever experienced in League.

If any of the following things happen, there is a 90% chance the lane is sabotaged before level 6:

  • The support is auto-filled
  • The support has no synergy with my champion
  • The support doesn't know the match up
  • The support is just not very good
  • The support makes a major mistake early on

After this, I basically become unable to play the game unless a team mate intervenes and recovers the lane before the enemy snowballs too out of control. It's extremely easy to freeze with an advantage, thanks to there being two champions in the lane.

Whether I win or lose this lane is completely outside of my control, and if it's lost, the winner leaves with 2-3x more of a gold advantage than if it has been mid or top.

I feel like this lane has way too much influence over the outcome of the game, given how trivial it is for it to be completely thrown, and how both players must be playing well in order to not feed.

5 Comments

GreenKnight2 votes

Problem doesn't always lie with your support, you know?

The support has no synergy with my champion

Yeah, i'm not buying it. I had played as a support with most champs in the game, and with all ADCs. When you get an weird support (say, Zed, for example), you have to adapt to them, like they need to adapt to your champion.

Yes, there are characters that will work great with your chosen ADC, but even without this "synergy" it's still not the end of the world if you don't have kits that compliment each other.

The support doesn't know the match up

Meh, happens to all of us, you are not excluded. You can't expect everyone to know everything about all the different matchups.

The support is just not very good

And so are you in some games.

The support makes a major mistake early on

Well, you make those kinds of mistakes too.

Whether I win or lose this lane is completely outside of my control,

Well, that's simply not true. As you said later:

[...] both players must be playing well in order to not feed.

Both you and your support need to have a good cooperation if you want to do something other than feed. You know, play it like it's a team based game?

Yenn1 votes

{quoted}

Problem doesn't always lie with your support, you know?

Yeah, i'm not buying it. I had played as a support with most champs in the game, and with all ADCs. When you get an weird support (say, Zed, for example), you have to adapt to them, like they need to adapt to your champion.

Yes, there are characters that will work great with your chosen ADC, but even without this "synergy" it's still not the end of the world if you don't have kits that compliment each other.

Meh, happens to all of us, you are not excluded. You can't expect everyone to know everything about all the different matchups.

And so are you in some games.

Well, you make those kinds of mistakes too.

Well, that's simply not true. As you said later:

Both you and your support need to have a good cooperation if you want to do something other than feed. You know, play it like it's a team based game?

Yeah, sorry, but you're completely wrong, and your opinion is irrelevant to the reality of the game at high elo. Your experience at low elo does not impart actual game knowledge, because it's based on both your team and your opponents being unskilled or uneducated.

If I'm playing Jhin with a Yuumi support and the enemy picks Rakan and Ashe, the lane is over. Yuumi cannot counter or stop Rakan from hard engaging on me, into an arrow. The best she can do is intercept the arrow and die while I disengage.

GreenKnight1 votes

{quoted}

Yeah, sorry, but you're completely wrong, and your opinion is irrelevant to the reality of the game at high elo. Your experience at low elo does not impart actual game knowledge, because it's based on both your team and your opponents being unskilled or uneducated.

I'm sorry, i didn't know i was talking to an asshole. My apologies.

You are talking about normal matches, not rankeds, at least that's what you said on your original post. This """""point""""", that i'm "low elo" is basically irrelevant to the disscusion. Besides, I don't play rankeds, so you can shove that right back where it came from.

If I'm playing Jhin with a Yuumi support and the enemy picks Rakan and Ashe, the lane is over. Yuumi cannot counter or stop Rakan from hard engaging on me, into an arrow. The best she can do is intercept the arrow and die while I disengage.

Yeah, well. Maybe you need to be more careful when dealing with unfavorable matchups? If Rakan catches you, then that means you overextended. You got too cocky, and made a mistake. Next time try to farm under turrets.

Support isn't your dedicated shield, for flip's sake. Learn how to play WITH them, do not treat them as your tool. Change your mentality, or you will continue to have bad matches.

GinoSoldier1 votes

Sure. We can work to give you that. But in return, are you willing to lose your godlike late game, game-ender status? Because that's what it'll cost you. You can't have early game agency AND late game power. Not to that extent anyway.

But ideally, the whole ADC roster needs to be reworked in a way that is less specifically item reliant. We need early game ADCs, Midgame ADCs, and late game ADCs. Right now over half the roster is completely useless early game. I absolutely abhor laning with Vaynes because they're absolute deadweights most of the time.

But you know, the lane can just as easily be lost to the ADC being greedy or careless for no reason. I just played with an MF that dived at lvl 2 after taking half her HP bar in minion damage. We feel the pain just as much as you do, because sometimes there's really just no helping an idiot ADC.

xelaker1 votes

Just won a game as adc thresh with support ap blitz. Like, HARD won. As long as you play okish ANYTHING can be good since riot's balance is to make everything stupidly damaging

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