Tanks in 2k18 lel

PopcornBunni·Dec 18, 2017·2 votes·699 views

What you actually want to TANK attacks? Hahaha here have top chunking your supposedly resistant character for a forth of their health every time you dare have the audacity to take a single minion while your character gets 2-3 levels behind and the enemy starts roaming. Starting to save up enough gold to build an armor item? haha nice one buddy, good job spending gold to literally make your opponent's item better.

Oh sure you can go tank, just make sure you go into support to be a human shield for your adc.

12 Comments

RalanrDec 18, 20174 votes

Tanks. Are. Fine.

CJ10002000Dec 18, 20171 votes

I agree with the exception of Ornn and Maokai and maybe someone else I can’t remember right now. But what really needs to happen is a buf to bruisers and a proper keystone for our class.

PopcornBunniDec 18, 20171 votes

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I agree with the exception of Ornn and Maokai and maybe someone else I can’t remember right now. But what really needs to happen is a buf to bruisers and a proper keystone for our class.

Bruisers are more than okay right now. It's just that when teams are going full damage they aren't as good.

Tank Top Bruiser Jungle loses to Bruiser Top Tank Jungle because the jungle tank does get set behind while tanks lose lane to bruisers hard.

When it's Tank top vs Bruiser top but no tank on the other side at all, it inflates tank winrates even though they lose lane, a statement echoed by a LOT of people on the boards-- "I win my lane because our bot lane lost." A part of that statement is true about ADCs being too much the focus of the meta, but a part of it is winning lane vs a tank without a tank on your own team means losing teamfights later.

Tanks lose solo lane* * * and lose against invasions and only do well if there isn't a tank on the other side in the jungle or support role where it's much harder to be set behind by a lane bully. If it's a tank vs a bruiser, the bruiser will win, and the bruiser will much more often take that win to other lanes and push succesfully as long as there is a tank on their team. Again Tank top Bruiser jungle enchanter support will lose more often than not against Bruiser top tank in either of other role, because those roles can either farm better to not get behind, or have dedicated support items to be the adc's babysitter

In general, obviously there are broken outliers and matchup specifics, but ** in general** tanks lose to not just tankshredding skirmishers, but to literally anything not a tank because they're complete dog shit early and most need 4-5 items before they can start remotely sponging damage for their team later

PopcornBunniDec 18, 20171 votes

Just to elaborate more on this: This was made just from experience, but looking at several League analytic sites would seem to corroborate this: Tanks top are, okayish in win%, but the lane is won more by annoying poke and bullies, along with splitpushers; Tanks make up a little bit larger of the winning population of the jungle, where they can't get set behind as easily; And finally tank supports are overwhelmingly the biggest winner, making up nearly half of the top 50% of support champions.

Sites looked at were op.gg, which I think is aggregate of diamond+ level from korea as its data points?; lolking's highest winrate champions at various ranks, only one of which Sion is a tank that goes toplane; and champion.gg looking at top, jungle, and support winrates at platinum+, platinum, and gold.

The numbers get marginally better for tanks in bronze according to champion.gg, with Malphite bumping up a bit and Illaoi and Kayle having lower winrates at the lower level of play, but the trend of having a tank in the jungle or support being a better option shows even at the lowest level for which there are stats (No sites for Wood VI unfortunately).

As soon as tanks become the more popular choice for jungle and support, tanks top start losing points dramatically. They only do well when they have nothing on the enemy team to compete with.

7e7Dec 18, 20171 votes

as a tank sup, i agree

kaironenDec 18, 20171 votes

Maokai, ornn, sion, malphite are probably the best preforming tanks right now I believe.

RalanrDec 18, 20171 votes

Sion is apparently performing best with comet. I really hope that if they nerf Sion they don’t actually make him reliant on comet.

kaironenDec 18, 20171 votes

Yeah, I entirely agree with you. I think that they need to nerf comet's base dmg and maybe up the ap/ad scaling for the damage dealers to still use it (altho comet might be op by itself on all champions, i'm still not sure about how good comet is on every champ, I only know them on top lane).