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These jungle changes are going to make the entire role more of a coinflip than it already is

Yenn··2 votes·2,723 views

As demonstrated by an Udyr vs. Lee Sin game I just had.

My Irelia top died at level 2, while I was on my way gank. I killed the enemy Renekton in response, held the wave so my Irelia could freeze, then recalled and immediately headed back to top lane so I could get her ahead.

The Irelia was a low level player. I assumed they were a smurf. They weren't.

I ganked again, but she didn't wait for my stun, missed her stun, accidentally Q'd a minion, and basically didn't touch Renekton. He got away with a sliver of health and had to recall, but I also took a lot of damage and had to recall.

During this time, my mid laner dived for a kill, and Lee Sin killed him and cleared the wave. He then went directly to bottom as my 3-0 laners also tried to dived, got a second kill and shutdown gold, and cleared the wave again. He's now 2+ full levels ahead of me from soaking lanes and the kills.

I'm completely removed from the game thanks to the top laner's misplay. He's 24/7 invading me and I'm unable to contest, which puts me further behind and prevents me from really impacting the game. At one point, he was 4 levels ahead of me.

These pre-season jungle changes are just going to make this entire scenario worse. With less jungle EXP, he would get even further ahead from soaking the waves. The jungle needs better come back mechanisms and less reliance on lane performance to remain relevant.

10 Comments

ViperVenom3 votes

While I agree with your last paragraph, you were the one who misplayed.

Instead of playing off your two winning lanes you went to regank a shitty laner.

Yenn1 votes

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While I agree with your last paragraph, you were the one who misplayed.

Instead of playing off your two winning lanes you went to regank a shitty laner.

Imagine telling a 63% win rate Diamond Udyr player that they don't know how to jungle.

A level 3 Udyr is not going to dive the winning lanes, and Ignite Renekton getting a level 2 kill on an Irelia with teleport isn't unusual enough to assume they're 'a shitty laner.'

This is shit advice that shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

mack91122 votes

I feel you should have not went back to top lane immediately but that is just my opinion. Beyond that under the new changes your bot jungle would be back up due to the lower spawn times so you could have just done that instead of going back top.

Yenn1 votes

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I feel you should have not went back to top lane immediately but that is just my opinion. Beyond that under the new changes your bot jungle would be back up due to the lower spawn times so you could have just done that instead of going back top.

As it says in the post, the Renekton got away with ~70 health. I almost solo'd him. If Irelia had even so much as auto'd him, it would have been a free kill and she would have gotten far enough head to win the lane (had she been a good player), and I could have left the lane alone to focus elsewhere.

Getting your top laner ahead early is extremely high priority in most games, because the lane snowballs hard.

mack91121 votes

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As it says in the post, the Renekton got away with ~70 health. I almost solo'd him. If Irelia had even so much as auto'd him, it would have been a free kill and she would have gotten far enough head to win the lane (had she been a good player), and I could have left the lane alone to focus elsewhere.

Getting your top laner ahead early is extremely high priority in most games, because the lane snowballs hard.

An important aspect of jungling is recognizing the lanes that would benefit from your help.

A irelia dieing to renekton lvl 2 is a player who does not understand the lane correctly and no amount of your help will swing that lane. If you had given that second kill to irelia she would have then acquired a cs lead then acquired a bounty then gone in a 1v1 cocky and just died.

GankLord1 votes

Idc what anyone says I still think S5 was the best time for junglers so much more diversity

XJ999999999999991 votes

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Idc what anyone says I still think S5 was the best time for junglers so much more diversity

s5 and below were good. rest trash

meowwow71 votes

i heard that jungle camps are getting shorter spawn timers. idk if that is true, but if it is junglers are going to be more item reliant next season

uNhoLeee1 votes

yeah not much you can do in that situation. beside op.gg and seeing if your top laner was garbage. any competent enemy jungler would exploit that. i think jungle was in a better state early s8; right when they reduced catchup experience. counter jungling, smart pathing + farming, ganking. all 3 of these were viable. now its just gank and hope laners arent boosted.

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