New accounts get 3 rune pages. Old accounts still only have 2.
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That's some BS Riot [sg-ahri-1]
you really only need one atm tho.
You only need one if you play often enough to remember all the runes. If you don't play enough or play arams then you're in trouble
I play aram all the time. It's how i got over the problem of needing such specific pages now. Aram learns you to do this shit fast. you don't need to remember every detail.
Yes it does make you faster but what you're not realizing is sometimes people trade you at the last second meaning you have no time to create a new page
I don't accept trades when there's only 10 seconds left. Not only you can mess up, but your team mate as well. I only use 5 rune pages atm (although I own 18). I just don't feel like I need more than 1 for each main tree. It would just get more chaotic, having to scroll to the right page and stuff. Editting goes faster.
Why would you trade that late though. If you know you can't change runes that fast either let them play the champ or dodge.
You wouldn't. Which is why im saying it's a problem that you only get 2 pages for aram when you should have one for each tree so if you trade at the last second you can at least have a page that is decent for the champ.
The optimization of all 140+ champions requires more than 20 rune pages.
I agree with him that you really only need one. More is nice so you have a preset for more champions, but you'll never have enough to cover every champion and thus you just learn the setup for every champion as you play more games with them and it becomes as second nature as their item builds.
I was messing around with just having one rune page for each tree (precision, sorcery, etc.) so I could just open them and edit from there, but even that took longer than just wiping the first page and setting it up from scratch.
Plus right now shuffling through rune pages feels really buggy and unresponsive, especially when the system glitches out and doesn't switch your page to the page you were just editing and you end up going in game with wrong runes.
Totally not saying I wouldn't like having more for no reason. Feel free to give me more pages Rito.
It's so much more convenient to not have to switch every game tho. Leaves a lot less to forgetfulness if you're always changing your picks.
I'm at a point now where I can change one page just fine, still doesn't mean a third can't hurt.
so.. buy one?
That is the issue. New players get a free rune page. People who never bought any extra pages are stuck with two.
In what universe????? There are such drastic differences between rune setups that you must be massively blind and unaware to not realize this. Right now League of Legends rune setups are the digital equivalent of Pimp My Ride. It makes a huge difference on some champs while making less of a difference on others. Entire games could be lost simply because your farm-heavy jungler (Shyvana for example) didn't have the correct rune setup to power-farm through early game. It can set you back 30%-60% behind the other jungler to have to use the wrong rune setup due to a lack of clear speed and sustain and late game relevance. With the right rune setup, those limitations disappear partially or entirely.
You can also change runes within ~8 clicks of the mouse. If you have the thing memorized, and use grid view, you can fly through building a rune page.
But the client is really laggy on a lot of people and the page shifts away the last second...
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you really only need one atm tho.
You're not wrong, but rune pages are obviously convenient
I had like 15 from the old system given I bought a bundle to play a variety of champions and now I can switch between keystones on the fly pretty easily
Resetting the page every game gets annoying, flipping to one and tweaking two runes is a much simpler process. Even if the general roles are "AD/AP/Tank" you can still get faster page switches with 3 than two since you have them up there. And if the new standard is 3, every account should meet that minumum standard.
oh don't get me wrong i'm not saying they aren't.
I have a page for singed (2), jinx, leona and teemo but that's cuz they're my most played champs. and other than singed i just make them every game out of habit by now.
That is entirely missing the point. New accounts in any game should never be favored over long time players. It sends a bad message.
What i'm trying to say is, it's not that big of a problem.
new accounts should just get 2 imo, but it's just some blue essence so idc tbh.
Personally, I think the change to remove masteries and keep only runes was bad. Maybe if they let us have multiple rune pages that we don't have to purchase with real money, or obscene amounts of blue essence, I wouldn't be complaining. But it really looks greedy.
I'm so tired of re-arranging my rune pages during champion select, or forgetting that I had to use my main's rune pages for a role I got autofilled for, and risk losing the game because my runes are all fucked up now. Seriously, Riot, this argument goes both ways. Sure, I can rearrange runes in champ select, so I don't need 20 rune pages. But, if I can rearrange rune pages on the champ select screen, what's the point in making me pay for more of them, huh, Riot????
Wait, I didn't get 3? I just got two
Same here, my new account only got 2. Guessing there was a small window where people got 3, riot realized it, reverted back to two w/o making a peep..
All accounts only need 1.
Assuming that there is enough time to change your runes...blind and botgame make it a bit more challenging (sometimes about 6 seconds after you lock your champ).
wtf? I made my account in 2011 and I have 3 pages
Pages you bought in old system got transfered.
In old system, you started with 2 pages, you could buy more. In new system, old accounts start with 2 pages plus the pages they bought. Allegedly, in new system, new accounts start with 3 pages plus the pages they buy.
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Pages you bought in old system got transfered.
In old system, you started with 2 pages, you could buy more. In new system, old accounts start with 2 pages plus the pages they bought. Allegedly, in new system, new accounts start with 3 pages plus the pages they buy.
oh ok I was confused af lol
tf i want 3 pages support this guy
I'd like pages pls Also rune pages should b included in lv up packages
I made a new account and only got 2... Where's my 3rd page?! lol The way be is next to existent at low levels, I won't be getting a 3rd anytime soon :(
does anyone actually use more than 1 page nowadays?
I have one for each Tree. ... Plus one for Bard. It's just nice imo to have the primary tree already selected.
personally it's so easy to make a page now that i just do it every game, it helps with getting all the runes right and personalized for the champion as well compared to just selecting the page.
I pretty much redo everything on that page as well before every game (unless I'm just back to back playing champions). I just use the drop down to basically pick the primary tree. It might be because I had like 5 extra rune pages before the switch and I wanted to feel like I was using them. lol
yeah i also made all 20 pages to feel like i didn't get as fucked as i did but i have realized i only use one anyways
I bought 2 more after rune rework, so I have 9 now, and it's not even close to enough.
i have 20 pages and only use 1 hehexd
Yet another prove riot only cares about noobs,newcomers and casuals.
Dude you always look for any excuse to support that claim.
We don't see you acknowledging posts that disprove that claim. Interesting....
What posts disprove that claim? They did nothing. Not a single change that benefits veteran players. Everything and game balance especially is turned into clown fiesta for noobs so they can climb easier. Anyone can pick up one of the riot's chosen ones champs and climb. Why? Easy answer. New players, bad players, casuals are more likely to buy skins if they don't have to wait and actually learn the game, but get everything with easy clicks.
You're always ragging on Riot, you take any excuse to do so, and you often throw reason out the window while you're at it.
You frequently lean on logical fallacies and generalizations to prop up your arguments, and you show zero respect for other opinions that differ from your own.
And you can't even respond to my arguments because they are not arguments anymore but pure facts. So you come up with some bullsht high talk thinking that it solves everything.
You deflected, so I refocused on the actual point of discussion. But actually, your "arguments" were perfect examples of my claim that you lean on logical fallacies and generalizations. You can't just call something a fact and magically make it so. Just because you believe something doesn't mean it is true. So thanks for proving my point.
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What I said are pure facts. One of the examples. Why do you think ADCs and currently varus are not.getting deserved nerfs? I guess lead designer trying to leave hardstuck gold 4 spamming varus can have something to do with it. Or most of riot balance team being ADC players. You can deduce obvious things as well but seems for you this very good and effective method of understanding simple logic chain of facts and states is a black magic.
Deduction and speculation are not fact, they are deduction and speculation. And you are falsely assuming connections between things when there is no proof connecting them.
Also I'm not the one downvoting you, just to be clear.
Of course not. And I'm not the one writing in these replies. Ghostcrawler buffing one class in wow also wasn't biased at all and making changes because he favoured that class which lead to fall of the game. Not at all. Now lead designer maining ADC and not letting ADCs get proper nerfs also are not biased.
Srsly. Can you stop being a fanboy for a second and see the truth that stands right in front of your nose?
Of course not. And I'm not the one writing in these replies.
Sarcasm will not get you anywhere with me. I'm being entirely honest when I tell you I'm not the one who keeps downvoting you.
I don't tend to vote when I'm in the middle of having a discussion with someone. If I see a passing comment and I think it a bad or false comment then I will either downvote it or reply to challenge it, but we are discussing something in-depth, and downvotes serve no purpose in an in-depth discussion. The only one of your comments in this discussion which I downvoted was this one.
On to the actual discussion:
Ghostcrawler buffing one class in wow also wasn't biased at all and making changes because he favoured that class which lead to fall of the game. Not at all. Now lead designer maining ADC and not letting ADCs get proper nerfs also are not biased.
If you wish to convince me of these things then you must demonstrate it with evidence. If you have quotes of actual blizzard employees who think that Ghostcrawler did something like that in WoW then that would be the place to start.
Maining ADC and being a lead designer grants the possibility that bias could impact game balance, but simply being possible does not magically make something true. It would have to happen, and the fact that it happened has to be recorded. If you cannot prove that it happened then you have no case.
Occam's Razor (deductive reasoning) only works if you eliminate all other possibilities. You have attempted to use Occam's Razor to assert that ADC balance is "shit" BECAUSE lead designers are biased towards ADCs, not for any other reason. But there are still quite a lot of other possible reasons for ADC balance being "shit." So you can't simply ignore the other possibilities to claim that you have deduced the one definitive reason for ADC balance being "shit."
Srsly. Can you stop being a fanboy for a second and see the truth that stands right in front of your nose?
The more you imply that I am blind and you are 'woke' the less convincing you make yourself. Lay off it, this won't help your case.
Seriously you can't process any information. How can you be that blind? ADCs are strong for too long, keep getting buffed, the moment they receive even irrelevant nerf it is either instantly compensated or reverted next patch while some champions get nerfed for no reason and rot in uselessness for years. They never do anything that doesn't suit their biased balance. You have proves everywhere in the game. Every patch note is a prove. Every change in last year's were a prove of bias and turning this game into causal clown fiesta. You just throw some copy pasted Wikipedia info and you think you are so smart and your argument is automatically right. Seriously get back on the ground. It's literally like talking to a wall with no consciousness. You got created by riot and blindly stand there and the only thing that could convince you is a hammer that is themselves saying they are biased which won't happened because they are not that stupid to lose their only income - casuals that blindly believe them.
Seriously you can't process any information. How can you be that blind?
It's not a matter of blindness, it is a matter of weighing all of the possibilities.
ADCs are strong for too long, keep getting buffed, the moment they receive even irrelevant nerf it is either instantly compensated or reverted next patch while some champions get nerfed for no reason and rot in uselessness for years.
Yeah, when you cherry pick the details like that it makes it really easy to miss the other possibile reasons. Lately they have been reverting nerfs to ADCs and non-ADCs alike. When they nerfed Twitch and company (and some non marksmen as well) because of the Press the Attack Rune, they discovered that the nerfs went to far, and then they cut back on the nerfs to Twitch, Shyvanna, evelynn, etc. It's not just Marksmen that they're reverting nerfs to nowadays.
Even if there somehow was some sort of bias policy in the past it's not around today, so you're literally complaining over nothing.
They never do anything that doesn't suit their biased balance. You have proves everywhere in the game. Every patch note is a prove. Every change in last year's were a prove of bias and turning this game into causal clown fiesta.
You keep beginning your analysis with the end in mind, and in doing so you fail to see things any other way than how you already want to see them. You keep insisting that everything they do in the patch notes is biased, but you're not looking at the whole picture, you just keep looking for reasons to believe what you already want to believe.
A quote comes to mind that I remember coming across here on the boards, "You can make ANYTHING look OP if you just list all their strengths." Which is basically how you're handling this. You keep listing things in as twisted a way as you can, even substituting your own words in to make it sound worse than it is, so that you feel justified in being angry at Riot.
let go of that anger. You're not accomplishing anything with it, except maybe high blood pressure. Riot isn't going to change their policies just because a few people have started hating them. There's basically 2 ways you can go about this. "Riot is corrupt because they won't fix X!" And, "X is a problem Riot needs to fix, here's how..." Trust me, you're not getting anything done the first way, you should switch your tactics up and try the more reasonable approach.
You just throw some copy pasted Wikipedia info and you think you are so smart and your argument is automatically right. Seriously get back on the ground. It's literally like talking to a wall with no consciousness. You got created by riot and blindly stand there and the only thing that could convince you is a hammer that is themselves saying they are biased which won't happened because they are not that stupid to lose their only income - casuals that blindly believe them.
It's not a superiority thing, I look to you as an equal, but you're not acting like an equal when you make pointless insults. We have different viewpoints, and we both are having difficulty getting one another to understand the other's viewpoint, but that's not the same thing as one of us being blind and the other being enlightened. The sooner you realize this the better off we will both be.
When they nerfed twitch they didn't discover nerfs were too far. Those nerfs weren't too far. They changed nothing. Twitch was still one shooting people out of stealth from fking out of anyone's range. This is why I know you are biased and blind. You believe that everything they do is right and they are right all the time. Shyvana still retardly broken. Oneshots people while being unkillable. I main Evelyn and I'm telling you her nerf wasn't even that hard. I found it ridiculous to oneshot nearly 3,5 k hp thresh in split second. And even after nerfs she was fine. Your viewpoint is blindly following and believing everything. I bet you loved dynq as well as galio oneshoting people with q. I guess you were the one who was writing those dumb comments that galio is fine etc. And then when riot had to admit a total fk up that they actually did on purpose by not listening people feedback from pbe you suddenly say they made mistake but it wasn't that bad. Everything you say is biased. Just like riot. They don't want to fix this game. They are milking the last bits of it because they know that real players who enjoy competitiveness are done with this bullsht they did.