Apparently, one can take advantage of the jungle mobs so that you can exit the jungle at level 3, with a pot and about 80%-90% of your health. This allows them to immediately counter jungle with impunity or roam into the other jungle camp and kill the other jungler with ease if they are melee. Is this issue going to be addressed? Or will it be ignored?
Talamare2 votesThey slightly increased the movement speed of jungle mobs to help prevent this, but overall I suggest you just bow to your ADC Overlords
Riot won't stop until ADC every lane
Leti the Yeti1 votesfrom my experience, I've seen Tristana top, Tristana mid, and of course Tristana bot I guess they can jungle too
SH Azykan2 voteslets see aside from Graves, Jinx and Twitch which adc's can jungle with any early clear speed at all?
ADC's require a lot of gold to be viable (they are late game monsters) and since the jungle is not exactly giving the most gold atm that puts you behind automatically. You don't bring much to ganks except damage which is honestly low until you have passed the 6k gold mark (finished jungle item + IE) so your ganks are less likely to be successful and puts you even further behind. I decide to invade you? Unless you have a good escape, you will die or burn flash and I am probably getting that camp from you. Most adc's cant duel for anything early. Sounds perfect for Pantheon to just walk in, kill you and walk out. Lets keep ADC's in bot lane with babysitting support, or the random adc in mid lane that actually has waveclear and an escape.
Troy2426212 votesBy the way, rangers counterjungling melees with ease? Shaco would love to see them try.
Ajakson2 votesIssue? I don't see what the issue is.
St Vicious can win with Karthus jungle in the expansion tournament. Unicorns of Love can win with Twisted Fate jungle at IEM San Jose. Is that an "issue"?
Hell no! Those guys are renowned for making the jungle benefit their team.
There are HUGE tradeoffs to picking an ADC jungle. Primarily, early clears take longer, are more vulnerable to enemies, and require kiting. On top of that, most team comps rely on the jungler for map control, making picks, and engaging teamfights. Those are things most ADCs don't do well. Warding/clearing wards is dangerous for ADCs. If you can make playing an ADC in the jungle worth it, then well done.
Oh, and good luck dueling that Lee Sin, Kha'Zix, Rengar, etc. from lvl 2-16 that can dump on just about any ADC until they get a few items under their belt.
Kowe The Ewok2 votesADC are bad junglers. ADCs need items and jungle income has been far overnerfed. Yes, Lulu and TF perform well in the jungle, but neither of them is an ADC.
(On a sidenote: both also got incredibly wrecked at LCS after the initial confusion was over)
Leti the Yeti1 votesI would like to see that happen to me I'm Xin Zhao I know for sure that if i see some mofo range come in mah jungle, i have a great gap closer, burst knock up, attack speed steroid, health regen and send that guy back to where he came ;l
I think its an issue that will be ignored, I can see how lower tier junglers will suffer from an adc counter jungler unlike in lane where an adc will free constantly poke a melee from a safe distance this case, you are challenging them to a duel...adcs have a particualrly weak early game and weak kiting whereas lee sin or jax or xin have a above average early game dueling potential ;l
Talamare2 votesI would like to see that happen to me I'm Xin Zhao I know for sure that if i see some mofo range come in mah jungle, i have a great gap closer, burst knock up, attack speed steroid, health regen and send that guy back to where he came ;l
I think its an issue that will be ignored, I can see how lower tier junglers will suffer from an adc counter jungler unlike in lane where an adc will free constantly poke a melee from a safe distance this case, you are challenging them to a duel...adcs have a particualrly weak early game and weak kiting whereas lee sin or jax or xin have a above average early game dueling potential ;l
Nothing that makes me happier when I'm doing Jg Graves when a cocky melee dashes onto me for that full damage buckshot, usually by then they change their minds and try to escape, so I dash to secure the kill but if they keep swinging all cocky like. I just go ahead and dash away and gun em down, good thing most of those non-lee sin melee's only have 1 real dash.
Leti the Yeti2 votesthats a fine argument just as I've listed specific champs
I still believe most adcs have a subpar early game to be dueling a duelist
Troy2426211 votesHey now. I main jungle, and I enjoy some Twitch in the jungle sometimes. Also, if you remove the ability to do this, you collateral nerf TF jungle. What's wrong with rangers being viable in the jungle? Why do we have to always be melee, and typically bruiser/tank?
But, knowing Rito, they'll call it a manipulation of gaming mechanics then patch it. Granted it's an unintended side affect of the game's mechanics, but I don't think it's bad, and it can slow clears down if they start to heal.
Bears Dont Care1 votesHey now. I main jungle, and I enjoy some Twitch in the jungle sometimes. Also, if you remove the ability to do this, you collateral nerf TF jungle. What's wrong with rangers being viable in the jungle? Why do we have to always be melee, and typically bruiser/tank?
But, knowing Rito, they'll call it a manipulation of gaming mechanics then patch it. Granted it's an unintended side affect of the game's mechanics, but I don't think it's bad, and it can slow clears down if they start to heal.
I am completely down with there being ranged junglers, but it is a problem when ranged junglers are better than melee junglers at dealing with the jungle mobs. If you are barely taking any damage, can counter jungle just as easily as Rek'Sai and Nunu, can do early ganks when jungle was designed to not do old level 3 ganks, yeah, its a problem that should be addressed.
Perfect Summoner1 votesThis is exactly what I said in my thread's tldr yesterday. I've personally been trying out jungle Vayne, and it works Really well for me. Her ganks are pretty scary too thanks to her insane do and condemn. Next, he going to try Ashe because of her immense cc.