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The amount of bias on this board is reaching critical mass

Eedat··166 votes·6,866 views

The insane amount of bias on this board is reaching an all time high. Its completely paralyzing any actually discussion to be had about Gameplay. I've been in these boards for many years and I've never seen it this bad. It's been bad, but never this bad. Bad to the point where intentionally feeding to stick it to the ADC is actually supported. What the actual fuck? This is where we're at?

I can't directly point fingers, but the fact that a thread where a support got mad at his Lucian ADC for finishing his BotRK instead of rushing an Executioners so therefore decided to 0/9 intentionally feed and straight up troll has made it to the front page is exactly why Riot has stated they don't take this board seriously. Comments that point out the feeding/troll build as a source of the loss are downvoted while "stupid ADC should have built it hehe xd" "gotta teach him a lesson by inting lel" are upvoted.

Do I even have to state how fast the inverse of "my support didn't buy sightstone so I 0/9 inted" would drown in downvotes?

Speaks volumes about the community when "I don't like what you're building so I'm gonna int" is an acceptable and encouraged solution. How did we go from smite support Singed getting banned being a big deal to Lucian building a BotRK being a fucking travesty? This 'ADCs are damage dealers so they're big meanies while supports are special snowflakes who are incapable of being overtuned or being a factor towards ADCs being too strong' is bullshit and insane.

I've mained divers for four years and anytime I point out that I can deal with ADCs if they don't have 4k shielding/healing and zero effort peel it gets downvoted while a "ADC mains have no friends" thread rockets to the front page.

PSA: support itemization is overtuned and is a major contributing factor as to why ADCs seem so strong. Hate to be the bearer of bad news here folks. Can't run from the truth.

ADCs are part of the game. Get over it. I would say "adapt" but they've always been a part of the game. If you can't handle their existence, find a new game because guess what? Riot isn't going to just delete them. Sorry. Better get used to it.

If anyone wants to have an actual balance conversation about ADCs and other factors outside of "ADCs are bullshit", by all means feel free to comment

235 Comments

34112354565258 votes

Actually, ironically, people like you are the problem too. The opposite side of the extreme. Its understandable that extremism on one end will breed extremism on the other (yourself).

But anyone with a more moderate lens can open these forums and clearly see it is not a case of "OMG SKY IS FALLING" where everybody is making threads about how we should intentionally feed or troll our teammates. That is not the case at all and if you think thats what the forums are actually doing , idk get help.

As for the ADC threads. ADCs are a serious problem at all levels of play right now. Saying "get over it" is once again part of the opposite end of the extreme problem. People have created dozens of moderate threads , calmly discussing why they are a problem , what they are doing to opponents and offering potential solutions. People have had "actual balance conversations" for weeks on weeks about what should be changed and how. Seems like you ignored all of that and probably cherry picked a few instances to create this "sky is falling" thread.

Whether random people like you ignore the threads or not , we dont care, what we do care about is that Riot is not responding or showing any ounce of communication, especially in regard to the champion twitch. As the weeks go on and Riot continues to not respond or acknowledge the concern then threads will continue to get more and more extreme. Thats just how the world works , if any group of people are voicing a concern over something , and it gets ignored , then those people become more extreme in voicing it.

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hehe Rito no nerferino Jannerino plezerino. Balanced. Uhhhhh only good in the meta. Uhhhhhh ADCs are too strong. Uhhhhhh nerf ADCs not broken support items. Thnx rito ;)

Take this for example , just look at yourself. You are just as stupid as them , just in the opposite extreme. ADCs are a blatant problem , get over yourself.

ZJD12320 votes

dam well said

But I suppose this thread will be the haven where all the ADC mains will counter circle jerk. Pretending they are any different rofl.

Eedat10 votes

I've mained divers for four years

Yup definitely where the ADC mains are circlejerking. Also, Janna is my second highest mastery champ. Def an ADC main here. You got me

Schàdenfreude13 votes

They never said anything about you being an ADC main. For some reason, you took offense to that post (probably because it was agreeing with the comment it was replying to since you got fucking exposed in that one lol) when it was simply agreeing and complementing someone else's comment.

[{quoted}](name=That Damage Haha,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2eUBGEjs,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2017-09-13T18:23:02.277+0000)

Take this for example , just look at yourself. You are just as stupid as them , just in the opposite extreme. ADCs are a blatant problem , get over yourself.

That Damage Haha is right here. Just look at yourself making incorrect assumptions about other people's comments. Also, one of the other problems you are creating is you are sterotyping all adc threads as being hateful and biased when in reality, not all of them are. Notice how in the threads that do critcally discuss why ADCs are too strong, they had facts to back it up. Compare that to this thread you made. All you told people to do was "get over it" and "ADCs are part of the game" without any real evidence to back it up.

AirKingNeo3 votes

No? That Damage Haha is strawman arguing and trying to make a false equivalency because he is the extreme that is acting out of line.

ADCs are a blatant problem , get over yourself.

Literally read this part. Eedat knows ADCs are a problem. He has no self to get over. This is clear example of false equivalency.

Schàdenfreude9 votes

Unfortunately, you interpreted that message wrong. That Damage Haha is intentionally doing that because he is mocking Eedat by copying what he did in his post.

ADCs are part of the game. Get over it.

That is what Eedat said. Now compare it to That Damage Haha's response

ADCs are a blatant problem , get over yourself.

See the parallelism? That Damage Haha is not being hypocritical, he is actually criticizing Eedat for writing that.

Eedat9 votes

sterotyping all adc threads as being hateful and biased when in reality, not all of them are.

No shit not "all of them". Thats like saying not everyone hates Lee Sin. But if youve ever been on the boards, its quite evident he is despised by the majority of the community.

Just saying there have been a large amount of straight up shitposts bashing ADCs or extremely thinly veiled that make it to the front board. Case in point the thread I was talking about where a support straight up and admitted to inting to "teach his ADC a lesson" because he finsihed his BorTK instead of rushing Executioners against a Soraka. He was getting a shit ton of upvotes while literally admittting he was inting because boohoo meanie ADC I'm a support and needed to teach him a lesson QQ

#That was literally at the top of the front page.

Keep sticking to the strawman argument though. Use a few decent threads to justify the massive amount of straight up shitposting. Stick to whatever excuse you want. The only people upvoting this comment are the same ones who were upvoting that guy for inting earlier

Schàdenfreude11 votes

This would've been an excellent reply if you didn't ignore my other points, lol. That's a really big problem with your reply actually. You copied a single quote from me without addressing the rest of my comment. This in turn, takes the quote out of context and it could be considered that the person using that single quote is quite biased.

That said, I never justified the massive amount of shitposting. I was using sterotyping to critizce you for assuming all ADC threads are shitposts.

WoonStruck36 votes

Its almost like people upvote based on title a good amount of the time, rather than reading threads....

Eedat32 votes

Did someone say nerf Lee Sin? +1

Zedex2 votes

Or "Gut Yasuo NOW!" +1

HalcyonDweller10 votes

Personally I read the post and upvoted because the content of the post itself was not inherrently bad while it also raised awareness about itemization.

Thanks to Eedat though I now know that the poster admitted in the comments section to trolling. I went back and removed my upvote and replaced it with a downvote, and I responded to the person in question telling them how shameful their behavior was.

tldr; I usually read the post but not always the comments section, and I have taken back my support from that other post.

Timely Voidling9 votes

That's a pretty dumb reason tbh

Oh this guy made a good point but because he gave up and sped up a hopeless game the point is suddenly mute?

HalcyonDweller9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Timely Voidling,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2eUBGEjs,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-13T19:00:35.693+0000)

That's a pretty dumb reason tbh

Oh this guy made a good point but because he gave up and sped up a hopeless game the point is suddenly mute?

That's not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth.

Giving upvotes and positive attention to a player when they admit to throwing tantrums and trolling is basically giving that player endorsement for that behavior.

They made a good point with the original post, but I refuse to give any support or reinforcement to somebody who thinks that when their teammates don't listen to them it is somehow ok to throw a tantrum like a toddler who's mommy just told them they can't have the candy bar at the grocery store.

Timely Voidling6 votes

He literally ended with better game stats than some of his team who "tried"

That's not throwing a tantrum dude, that's trying to gtfo of a lost cause so he can hope for a better team next game

Moon Forcer6 votes

0/9 inting is worse than 2/7 1/7 and 0/8 trying I guess

Thwyre all right though, that game was all on me throwing a tantrum, totally not due to the top mid jg feeding for 12 straight minutes and the adc not feeling it worthy to counter itemize.

Shame on me being selfish and thinking about how to spend my time better when they all did the same

HalcyonDweller5 votes

Two wrongs do not make a right. It might suck to be wronged but we ought to be above retaliating.

Moon Forcer7 votes

Wasn't retaliation though, I simply wanted that game over asap so I didn't waste anymore time on it.

We had literally no way of winning that game, and unless someone can come along with a playbyplay that says otherwise I will stand by that.

HalcyonDweller4 votes

You stated yourself that you did it because you were pissed off at the marksman player for not listening to you and for being too stupid to itemize correctly.

But that aside - If you want the game to end earlier then you should attempt to persuade your team to surrender. Intentionally throwing is not an acceptable solution.

Moon Forcer6 votes

In no way did I say it was because I was pissed at the ADC it was because I was tired of wasting time on a dead match, and I did try persuading them and in typical fashion they declined despite me pointing out the score and fact that mid turret was already gone and not a single one of us had anything to offer due to Soraka existing to heal it all.

But no no, please do go on with the hypocrite you're now supporting.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

It's practically spelled out in the terms of service. If your teammates do not agree to a surrender vote then you are obligated to play it out.

[{quoted}](name=Moon Forcer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2eUBGEjs,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-13T23:53:07.721+0000)

I did attempt to persuade them, and in typical fashion they declined despite me pointing out the score and fact that mid turret was already gone and not a single one of us had anything to offer due to Soraka existing to heal it all.

-snip-

Regardless, intentionally throwing a match is never an acceptable solution. You took your anger out on your team instead of behaving properly. If you can't handle it then mute everyone or leave the game. What you did was not okay. Period.

AFK Push2 votes

Lol, you actually have to have a lead to throw anything.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Do I legit have to spell it out for you? Inting and building troll builds is not okay. And it's possible to do that with or without a lead.

AFK Push2 votes

Look at the actual game stats. He said that top, mid, and jung were feeding the first 12 minutes of the game. The enemy had 35 kills on his team who had only 5 in a 21 minute game. He did even more damage than his practically inting mid laner. His jungle decided that he watched so many streams of people going Ezreal jungle and ended up 0/8, practically inting. Before they could even do an early surrender the enemy team had 15 kills on them, his team had 1 lol. His team got 1 tower, the enemy team had 1 drag and 4 towers. His troll build didn't exist until the end where he sold some of his items btw.

AirKingNeo6 votes

Giving upvotes and positive attention to a player when they admit to throwing tantrums and trolling is basically giving that player endorsement for that behavior.

No it isn't. It means you're supporting them recognizing the issue, which often comes with that person wanting to correct it.

PePsiLemoNN35 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0

Nobody takes this shitfest seriosuly anymore tbh

Chembaron Yamada3 votes

Holy, that video is hilarious. xD

Tyrone Lannister16 votes

Pretty much dude. Shitting on ADC's is the flavor of this months circlejerk.

LegacyDAP12 votes

Wrong, it's flavor of the year. All the boards does is shit on ADC's, for like the past 2 years honestly.

Zero Drive15 votes

Reminder that the people who post on these boards are the same potatoes you get on your team. If you really expected civility you may need to stop drinking the bong water.

Eedat19 votes

Reminder that this board is a product of the community and reflects real people's opinions. Reminder that accepting and condoning bad behavior just because it exists is part of the problem.

This community is hilarious. We upvoting shit like "RITO Y U NO BAN TROLLS AND FEEDERS!!!!!" then Riot opens the front page of their own forum and see shit like inting because you don't like your AD's build at the top of the front page. Top kek

ˇaaˇaaˇaaˇ14 votes

on this bored people cater to the casual like no one comes here to get better or lane about the game people just all hop on the bandwagon for things like that and support that style but you get flamed for offering input upon lane management and such.

Not sure if it is indicative of the whole community probably is but it is truly annoying how this isn't a place to cultivate and build a stronger fun community of players and playerbase rather just a trash bin for idiots to talk and condone/agree with such behavior.

Honestly it is sad you have to just /mute while leveling and really in all aspects of gameplay till you get over that rut (which is the majority of the players) and reach platish even then meh.

Point is things like what you said should not be allowed that should be the permabanned behavior honestly if you read the threads some of the "toxic" people even in behavior are totally valid in their points just rage because they feel they are not heard which are not hence you get what we have here.

I really wish riot would fix that to solidify a better game for everyone cause the players in the end make the game but what can you do?

Penns8 votes

idc if adcs are a part of the game, i care when they 1v1 me as assassin and crit me for 700 dmg with their 2 items late game item 3031 item 3087 xd

Eedat13 votes

They don't. I will delete an ADC of the face of the Earth in a 1v1 at two items ezpz

Executioner7 votes

So true. Diana 2 items? Nope, talon 2 items? No, any assassin with 2 items? 1v1? Fuck no. I am not 1v1 anyone.

10 fps5 votes

I don't get how people on here are proud to admit that they're losing to an ADC 1v1 as an assassin. No it's not the ADC, you are just garbage.

LegacyDAP8 votes

Unless it's Tristana with R or Twitch sneaking up on you and being the assassin.

Spank the Fox3 votes

Then please stop sayint "ADCs" when it's two champions.

I don't say all supports are broken because of Ardent Censer and Redemption. We point out the main offenders.

Salson8 votes

I can't directly point fingers, but the fact that a thread where a support got mad at his Lucian ADC for finishing his BotRK instead of rushing an Executioners so therefore decided to 0/9 intentionally feed and straight up troll has made it to the front page is exactly why Riot has stated they don't take this board seriously. Comments that point out the feeding/troll build as a source of the loss are downvoted while "stupid ADC should have built it hehe xd" "gotta teach him a lesson by inting lel" are upvoted.

Where the hell did this happen?

Both bot roles are broken, and both need nerfs though.

Eedat7 votes

I can't directly point fingers but just look on the front page. The thread has to do with ADs not building executioners against a single healer. Shouldn't be hard to find. Look at the comments :)

Salson3 votes

Holy hell, it's +16....well +15 now.

Eedat9 votes

Meanwhile me and others point out inting because you don't like other's builds is not acceptable and get downvoted into oblivion :^)

ModWulf Helhammer10 votes

What the hell is that thread....the person inting is actually getting upvoted in their comments(?!?!?!)

Eedat8 votes

Welcome to the LoL boards

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Salson4 votes

Did anyone report him to Rito Support or the Wardens?

The guy literally admited to inting.

Eedat2 votes

Seem like the thread is gone. Apparently admitting to inting on the Riot official forums crosses the line. Who would have thought?

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

Talking about riots scam matchmaking also gets your thread deleted. So who cares-

ChasmOfTrossm7 votes

ADCs: "Wah tanks do too much damage while being unkillable."

Tanks: "Stick by your support instead of solo fighting me (you're not supposed to fight the tank as ADC), and you won't die to my high base damage."

Former is bullshit latter is true, and ADCs love to ignore the reality of their stupid decision-making, and spew bullshit rumors about tanks instead until it becomes a meme.

Fact is that enchanter items need to be nerfed. It's one thing for a good support to be able to prevent their adc from dying with like 250hp left, but when I can barely half-health an adc as an assassin, or not at all due to how thick that shield gets, it shits all over the assassin and renders them useless. If League of Legends wants to balance the game around ADCs, fine so be it, but ADCs are not the only champions in this game, therefore focusing all your balancing efforts on a single class will always, absolutely 100% lead to an imbalanced state.

In my experience the most viable way to deal with an ADC is to have one person go after the support, removing their ability to protect the carry, while the other goes ape-shit all over the ADC's face. Case in point: "ATTACK THE FUCKING SORAKA!" Five seconds later both are dead.

Kynami2 votes

I had a particularly salty Talon in post game lobby after one game. The enemy team went all in for the dive and delete game plan with a Kha, Kass, and Talon all being on their team. Their bot lane was an Ashe + Soraka, meaning the only thing they didn't have was a proper front liner.

I went particularly off-meta and did ADC Quinn with a Janna support. You dive me, you get peeled... you dive my support and I would peel the support while deleting them with prejudice. Was a slightly rocky start, but catching the enemy jungle trying to sneak dragon and preventing his jump with a well timed E to cash in started an immense snowball.

Why am I saying this? Have fun trying to delete the support near a Quinn, Trist, or Vayne when they look over and just punt you away from their buff dispenser. Xayah can also work, but delayed snares aren't quite as good at speed peeling as a knock-up or knock-away.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2583145476/214535034

And as for enchanter items being over-powered... sure, a bit. But it has a helluva lot more to do with how much passive pressure is put on the losing team because of minion auto-push and how snowballing is so damn hard to stop because of all the accrued advantages across the team because of things like global tower gold. I guarantee that the Darius on my team was basically afloat off of global gold that match.

Vekkna6 votes

Riot spent most of season 6 and 7 buffing ADCs and AD items. This resulted in stupid high damage.

Then they increased enchanter income and improved itemization in like one patch mid season 7. This resulted in very strong support protection.

You can't have both of those without it being a problem. However, I don't think you should automatically blame one round of support changes after two seasons of overtuned AD itemization. Support right now is totally fine if ADs have less-steep power curves. It's less fine when ADCs are assassinating people with at item.

EDIT: I tried learning ADC this season, but I've mained Zyra and support champs for 3 seasons now. My use of the word "assassinate" is based on my experience playing Miss Fortune, returning to lane with Duskblade, bum-rushing the enemy ADC, and collecting gold after hitting QR.

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