Can Black Cleaver get more Armor shred if it's worded to not function alongside Last Whisper?

Ætheist··3 votes·1,062 views

The Black Cleaver

Phage (1250) + Kindlegem (800) + 950 = 3000

+400 Health +40 Attack Damage +20% Cooldown Reduction

Unique Passive - Strip Away: Dealing Physical Damage to an enemy champion reduces their Armor by 5% for 6 seconds, stacking up to six times for a maximum 30% Armor reduction. Disables Strike Through on your other items.

Unique Passive - Rage: Dealing Physical Damage grants 30 Movement Speed for 2 seconds. Takedowns on enemy champions or kills on other units grant 90 Movement Speed for 2 seconds instead. The Movement Speed bonuses are reduced by 60% on ranged champions (to 10 and 30 respectively).

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Last Whisper / Lord Dominik's Regards / Mortal Reminder: Unique Passive name changed to Strike Through.

Basically increased the Armor shred, added a clause that prevents said shred from working alongside Last Whisper, and increased Rage's movement speed on melee champions (the ranged penalty being upped to 60% from halved keeps the numbers the same as on live Rage).

It's like how the Dissonance passive on Athene's negates the Harmony passive on Mikael's. (Though I'm not entirely sure why Dissonance has to negate Harmony from a balance perspective. Would it really be too strong if they coexisted? I guess the combination of more AP for scaling heals and more Health Regen would make people like Soraka too durable? I dunno.)

The bit about the passive names is just because I wanted them to sound contradictory (like Harmony and Dissonance on Grail and Mikael's) and still be fitting to the items they're on, and I don't know what the opposite of "Last Whisper" would be that would sound fitting on a big ol' axe.

I'm sure you might have to tone back some of the other anti-tank measures if you buff Cleaver's shred (that means you, Darius E), but really, Cleaver kinda sucks on a lot of its intended users at the moment. Boosting the MS it gives melees via Rage is mainly to offset the fact that Trinity gives MS outright on top of its own Rage.

5 Comments

Tahminatrix 1 votes

Cleaver is kind of okay in its current state, it just requires alittle bit of synergy and coordination to be utilized.

If it is strong in solo, itl be op in a coordinated game, not even lcs coordinated just high elo or with friends coordinated.

Ætheist1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2Z3vyaxz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-28T05:31:50.135+0000)

Cleaver is kind of okay in its current state, it just requires alittle bit of synergy and coordination to be utilized.

If it is strong in solo, itl be op in a coordinated game, not even lcs coordinated just high elo or with friends coordinated.

Last time I made a thread about this, I got a few replies saying to buff Cleaver. Why are people so fickle?

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2Z3vyaxz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-28T05:31:50.135+0000)

Cleaver is kind of okay in its current state, it just requires alittle bit of synergy and coordination to be utilized.

If it is strong in solo, itl be op in a coordinated game, not even lcs coordinated just high elo or with friends coordinated.

Almost nobody that used to buy Black Cleaver, buys Black Cleaver.

Garen, Darius, Fiora, Wukong, hell, even Illaoi and Poppy is buying Trinity Force now.

Even champions that used to buy Black Cleaver like Jayce, Jarvan IV, Lee Sin, Renekton and Riven are just much better off being pure Lethality, especially after Duskblade now ignores 21 armor. Coupled with Youmuu's 18 which is 39 Armor Penetration in total, they're ignoring just as much Armor as if they were building Black Cleaver.

The only ones still building Black Cleaver are Gnar, Kled and Urgot and that's because their itemizations all suck.

Black Cleaver should get it's 30% Armor Penetration back, if not more.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

Gnar is one counter example but I still think youre right.

LilxPaprika1 votes

only thing that might make item 3071 less good atm is ttk is so high atm and tanks just too squishy anyways. so you're either too low by the time you shredded their armor to really benefit from it. or they you already got the kill off anyways.

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