So basically zed cannot dodge high cc ultimates?

LegitBacon66··1 votes·637 views

I mean the way hes played he usually goes in with his ult then goes back to juke say a.... Annie stun Ori ult Cass ult Le blanc damage Yasuo tornado? Chogath silence/q Any form of cc or skillshot

But now he cannot do that i believe now he has to play more of a prediction game or rely on flash or W a lot more?

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Lord Dusteon5 votes

So you are saying instead of those champions being forced to instantly use any CC they have in the hopes of not immediately being blown to pieces only to have Zed teleport back while spamming /l they get to actually land their skills and try to outplay Zed? Wow! it's almost like his ultimate now has a form of risk attached to it!

SmokinSickStyle1 votes

So why is LB allowed to do so on a tenth of Zed CD, whilst having higher damage, more CC, a third of the time Zed needs to burst someone, access to Zhonya, more dashes that deal damage than Zed with a passive that makes her invisible plus splits her in 2 entities?

How is Zed a candidate for nerf into the safety dept. whilst LeBroken exists?

Truly Prideful1 votes

I think they said they might do it to her as well. They're seeing how it works out on Zed first.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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So why is LB allowed to do so on a tenth of Zed CD, whilst having higher damage, more CC, a third of the time Zed needs to burst someone, access to Zhonya, more dashes that deal damage than Zed with a passive that makes her invisible plus splits her in 2 entities?

How is Zed a candidate for nerf into the safety dept. whilst LeBroken exists?

For one, because LeBlanc's damage is entirely burst with no sustained, while Zed has access to both (being AD means his autoattacks hurt, and his Ghostblade + BotRK build makes him very good at dueling and pushing).

For two, because she uses mana (which normally ends with stronger abilities than manaless counterparts) and has part of her burst tied to sticking in range for E to proc twice.

For three, because

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If it works out well on Zed we'd consider adding it to Le Blanc and again, if appropriate, put power elsewhere instead. Would want to see how it affects Zed first before doing that assessment though.

SmokinSickStyle1 votes

Being AD and melee and dealing more damage than LB because autoattacks doesn't justify LB having everything Zed has but 3 times better.

Zed's primary role is assassin, if more they should nerf this part not the assassin part.

So yeah, we use Zed as a test subject and if it cripples him, they are gonna do it on LB and buffing her power elsewhere, basically solving nothing, outside one thing, Zed got the stick up his ass and LB is allowed to do what she pleases.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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Being AD and melee and dealing more damage than LB because autoattacks doesn't justify LB having everything Zed has but 3 times better.

Zed's primary role is assassin, if more they should nerf this part not the assassin part.

So yeah, we use Zed as a test subject and if it cripples him, they are gonna do it on LB and buffing her power elsewhere, basically solving nothing, outside one thing, Zed got the stick up his ass and LB is allowed to do what she pleases.

...I don't even.

LeBlanc has to use mana to do anything, while Zed gets a free massively regenerating resource. LeBlanc's furthest poke is a 950 range chain, assuming you stood still while she threw it for a second. Zed's is a 1450 range WQ with a reasonably fast projectile speed. LeBlanc's damage is mostly burst, but takes at least 1.5 seconds to complete before she can escape. Zed's damage is ~,5 of a second before he can escape. LeBlanc's damage comes in massive spikes followed by almost nothing. Zed's damage comes in large spikes followed by a medium line of DPS.

LeBlanc is better in that her harass is much harder to dodge and she does more immediate damage, but worse in that her sustained damage is much lower and her full combo takes almost 3 times as long to complete. She's also worse in that she has no access to sustain or easy last hitting and farming, but that's what you get for being a not Vladimir or Mordekaiser AP.

straight4free3 votes

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So why is LB allowed to do so on a tenth of Zed CD, whilst having higher damage, more CC, a third of the time Zed needs to burst someone, access to Zhonya, more dashes that deal damage than Zed with a passive that makes her invisible plus splits her in 2 entities?

How is Zed a candidate for nerf into the safety dept. whilst LeBroken exists?

LeBlanc is not untargetable during her dash. In fact, you can interrupt it and prevent the damage from ever happening.

SmokinSickStyle1 votes

LB's W doesn't have more than a minute CD and it doesn't require a target.

straight4free1 votes

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LB's W doesn't have more than a minute CD and it doesn't require a target.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying that skills with a CD of a minute or higher should lack counterplay?

veigarbage can1 votes

Do you know what I have to say about that? Good. Good. He juked WAY too hard, and just demolished every carry ever. And then there's Veigar, who I cry every night for.

Mooing Kev1 votes

U pretty much have to throw out ur w first then ult so u can instant swap to w shadow. Now doing a ww r combo is significantly riskier so ur gonna want flash up if urgonna do that against a heavy cc mage ie ahri liss even weaker picks such as lux and brand now stand a chance agaisnt u.

Downrun1 votes

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Abyssphere1 votes

You know you can still juke those abilities by pressing R, right? You kind of become untargetable for a brief moment there. His ultimate won't let him dodge abilities two times as easily as it used to but it's still capable of doing it and even if it doesn't, most people don't have such easy juking of big abilities anyway.

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