Sona got gutted from this rework

ForgiveColour·Jul 17, 2016·36 votes·2,427 views

because i dont get to play this overpowered champion in ranked now -every sona mains ever

57 Comments

Sir FuzziJul 17, 201613 votes

Everyone said her aura rework gutted her.

As soon as they change Sona, she's gutted, because League players have the temperament of a 12-year-old girl when it comes to balance.

Solari FortuneJul 18, 20169 votes

Riot: We lowered someones AD by 1 point "OMG GUTTED UNPLAYABLE"

ARequestOfDeathJul 18, 20161 votes

but then there are the serious ones like the eve rework

Theiki KayleJul 18, 20163 votes

item 1400 -5 AD

few patches later

item 1400 +5 AD

Solari FortuneJul 18, 20166 votes

and people say Riot never reverts a change

SnowLeopard91Jul 18, 20161 votes

I can think of two times, and this was one of them, where Riot reverted a change and made a quip about reverting changes in the patch notes. The other was a Zed thing.

zlumpyJul 17, 20166 votes

We get it you guys are angry about fighting against sona and her "no skill" play style you claim she has so you take it out on sona players when they get frustrated that the champ they enjoy gets made less fun to play as. Your threads are about as irritating as the gutted sona ones. So how about everyone just drop it?

Athenes LuluJul 18, 20166 votes

Watch all the Sona mains show up begging to differ because she is "not overpowered".

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Sona x RubickJul 18, 20165 votes

glad that i'm not part of this group then.

XeruonJul 18, 20162 votes

For real though, I feel like you're the only Sona main that doesn't rush to downvotes and hate comments whenever somebody even mildly criticizes their waifu, and actually makes reasonable arguments about her balance.

Kudos to you, good sir/ma'am!

Sona x RubickJul 18, 20161 votes

because i acknowledge facts. First when she had 58% win rate i didn't agree, but then i saw that she had 12% pick rate+58% win rate then i agreed that she was broken.

but then, what pisses me off is riot touching her numbers which will do nothing (i think) because of sona's current kit.

XeruonJul 19, 20161 votes

I said this before, but her kit is an unbalancable clusterfuck. She needs a rework, let's hope they do it right this time around.

BastionKrossJul 20, 20161 votes

This is usually what happens to Sona. She gets a few changes, becomes too powerful because those changes didn't make her kit any healthier, and then spends the next couple months getting number nerfs to the point where she needs changes.

You'd think the Rioter(s) handling her would be able to identify and take steps to stop that cycle, but that might be a mistake expecting basic competence from the champion update/balance team at this point.

Kanzaki RankoJul 18, 20165 votes

wtf are you talking about

abilities that AUTOMATICALLY HIT PEOPLE FOR YOU is never considered mechanically skilled in any way LOL

XeruonJul 18, 20165 votes

Oh I wonder why you have all these downvotes.

Can it be the Sona mains coming fresh from Salt Lake City?

ParoeJul 18, 20164 votes

Remember when sona was considered a high skill floor champion because she needed pinpoint positioning? No? No one?

Well i do. Sona used to be THE "mechanical skill" champion because her positioning made or broke team fights back then. What we NEED is to give sona back her massive team fight presence; lower mass heals, constant passive benefits for active auras that only effect her allies.

You could also make sona more resonable by turning her W into a shield ONLY that works like karmas shield, and making her Q a waveclear tool to give her a solo lane ability. Fact of the matter is, unlike soraka, sona would be perfectly balanced as a mid laner if you removed her heal. its litterally that heal which keeps her from making the transition from support to mage.

ForgiveColourJul 18, 20161 votes

Can you pay for my medical bill? Fk

Immortal spaxJul 18, 20163 votes

"sona is a skilled champ" - Sona Main

XeruonJul 18, 20164 votes

Proceeds to make thousands of threads shitalking assassins, saying they take no skill, and demanding nerfs - Also a Sona main

chipndip1Jul 18, 20161 votes

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Proceeds to make thousands of threads shitalking assassins, saying they take no skill, and demanding nerfs - Also a Sona main

Why are you blaming Sona mains for what adc mains do? You know how many "Stop banning LB/Zed" threads I've made?

XeruonJul 18, 20161 votes

Honestly most Sona mains seem to make Anti-Assassin threads because a skilled Assassin player forces them to do a little more than mindlessly mash QWEQWEQWE. ADC mains are mostly just a salty bunch.

Immortal spaxJul 18, 20161 votes

Mate, in the nerf sona main threas there was like 5/6 sona mains(you know it because they have the dj sona icon) that kept saying "instead to nerf sona nerf Leesin, fizz, zed yasuo, noob champ and broken"

XeruonJul 18, 20162 votes

Honestly Sona needs a complete rework anyways, her kit is just an unbalancable clusterfuck from the earliest days of League. Plus her visuals and lore are super outdated.

chipndip1Jul 18, 20162 votes

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Honestly Sona needs a complete rework anyways, her kit is just an unbalancable clusterfuck from the earliest days of League. Plus her visuals and lore are super outdated.

I've been saying this FOR MONTHS NOW.

Minus the visuals. I mean, the particles for her auras could disappear/reappear less awkwardly, but it's aight.

SnowLeopard91Jul 18, 20161 votes

I think her kit is fine - her numbers are just too high right now. She already got the rework a while back that went from auras to short buff windows, and thought it took some growing pain, I think that's fine in the current League environment where aura buffs not named Aegis don't exist. The visuals could be updated, and I haven't payed attention to lore since Riot stopped caring about it three or four years ago.

XeruonJul 19, 20161 votes

Sorry man, but her kit isn't "fine". She can't take nerfs because that just makes her unplayable, but she can't take buffs either because that makes her overtuned. She needs a complete gameplay update.

Also, contrary to popular belief, Riot still does care about lore, but I don't think this is the right place to discuss that.

chipndip1Jul 18, 20161 votes

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Mate, in the nerf sona main threas there was like 5/6 sona mains(you know it because they have the dj sona icon) that kept saying "instead to nerf sona nerf Leesin, fizz, zed yasuo, noob champ and broken"

Adc mains are the main dudes that complain about assassins, though...especially Zed and Fizz. If your support is doing their job, you don't need QSS to stop Zed.

XeruonJul 18, 20161 votes

QSS can't stop Zed anymore anyway, so your ADC and support actually need to try to communicate for once.

Also, sorry to break it to you, but any Sona skin except DJ is awful in terms of model texturing.

chipndip1Jul 18, 20161 votes

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QSS can't stop Zed anymore anyway, so your ADC and support actually need to try to communicate for once.

Also, sorry to break it to you, but any Sona skin except DJ is awful in terms of model texturing.

Not the point. The reason why he's perma-banned is because peopel can't QSS him. My point is that this is unnecessary.

And, on the note of skins, I guess you got a point. I don't nit-pick about it too much. The splash arts are my favorite part about the skins anyway.

SnowLeopard91Jul 18, 20162 votes

Zed has something like a 48% win rate, because any competent support will make him cry with a shield and a mikael's. People who think assassins need nerfed are people who expose themselves to picks or who have never seen a good support player in their life.

XeruonJul 19, 20162 votes

The reason Zed is perma-d is because it's a massive circlejerk, much like the Sona issue right now. Everyone claimed that when Duskblade released, Zed would be S3 Kassadin levels of OP, but nothing really changed. People claimed that when the QSS nerf happened, Zed would be unplayable against. Didn't happen either. People claimed that his nerfs would do nothing against him, also wasn't the case. Long story short; people just outright hate assassins and everyone who plays then, especially for Rengar and Zed. But it doesn't matter because a support with some map awareness and maybe a item 3190 , could easily peel the Zed off.

For example, let's say you're playing Sona support, with an Ashe ADC. The Zed ults your Ashe. Since he will appear 0.75 seconds after appearing, you can just ult to stun the Zed, then Q for some harass, followed by an E to kite back, then W to heal, and ready the power chord damage debuff incase he still decides to chase, activating Locket it needed.

chipndip1Jul 19, 20161 votes

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The reason Zed is perma-d is because it's a massive circlejerk, much like the Sona issue right now. Everyone claimed that when Duskblade released, Zed would be S3 Kassadin levels of OP, but nothing really changed. People claimed that when the QSS nerf happened, Zed would be unplayable against. Didn't happen either. People claimed that his nerfs would do nothing against him, also wasn't the case. Long story short; people just outright hate assassins and everyone who plays then, especially for Rengar and Zed. But it doesn't matter because a support with some map awareness and maybe a , could easily peel the Zed off.

For example, let's say you're playing support, with an ADC. The Zed ults your Ashe. Since he will appear 0.75 seconds after appearing, you can just ult to stun the Zed, then Q for some harass, followed by an E to kite back, then W to heal, and ready the power chord damage debuff incase he still decides to chase, activating Locket it needed.

Difference: Zed was a circlejerk. Sona's fucking overpowered. But yea, supports have tools to stop Zed, so supports should be the ones stopping Zed. I've been saying that for a while now.

XeruonJul 19, 20161 votes

Sona's is also a circlejerk. A pro-Sona circlejerk if you will.

Immortal spaxJul 18, 20162 votes

QSS dont works anymore om Zed.

And of course most ADC mains are whiny crybabies who wants every chaml to be nerfed(just whatch the caitlyns trap circlejerk)

chipndip1Jul 18, 20161 votes

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QSS dont works anymore om Zed.

And of course most ADC mains are whiny crybabies who wants every chaml to be nerfed(just whatch the caitlyns trap circlejerk)

He's perma-banned because you can't, but your support should be having your back. That's what I'm saying.

Immortal spaxJul 18, 20161 votes

It should be, but usually supports peel for the most fed, which is not always the adc.

SnowLeopard91Jul 18, 20161 votes

I'm a support main and jumped on Sona recently because she's broken AF and needs a nerf. Just throwing my "not all" into the mix.

Immortal spaxJul 18, 20161 votes

You are joking but there people like that in this forum, with the dj sona icon lol

XeruonJul 19, 20161 votes

Honestly I don't think Sona players would be this radically defensive of their champion if Sona wasn't that attractive lmao.

Immortal spaxJul 19, 20161 votes

I cant blame them, a voice-less women is a rare privilege. lol.

CalabokJul 17, 20162 votes

I agree nerf Sona

A little PeepoJul 18, 20162 votes

Sona will never be considered "balanced" until riot takes her into 1 single direction rather than a jack of all trades. Either have her be a poke support or a utility/sustain or cc bot. This remake was awful because we all knew how obnoxious sona was in urf (I never played it but geez all the QQ threads about sona OP) and literally turned her into even more of a, "slam your head on keyboard spam" She needs a better core identity than what she's had and her past history has shown us that, sona has always been nerfed (especially her heal) for obvious reasons.

Rather than buffing her current kit why not just change her entire kit over all and actually add more in depth play styles to her that require skill rather than just button mashing. The only thing that considers any skill (if any) is knowing what power cord to use but even then Q usually takes the win there.

Personally I would much rather see sona go into a "debuff" damage support rather than buffing. I feel this would give her a more unique play style and not just a jack of all trades, with a kit like that she will always be support queen or cannon minion support, she just won't find true balance with her current kit at all, same goes with karma.

@riot please stick to a direction on a champion and stop giving her the best of all world's, you will never find balance in that, sona is not bisexual she's mute.

only zhuleJul 18, 20161 votes

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Sona will never be considered "balanced" until riot takes her into 1 single direction rather than a jack of all trades. Either have her be a poke support or a utility/sustain or cc bot. This remake was awful because we all knew how obnoxious sona was in urf (I never played it but geez all the QQ threads about sona OP) and literally turned her into even more of a, "slam your head on keyboard spam" She needs a better core identity than what she's had and her past history has shown us that, sona has always been nerfed (especially her heal) for obvious reasons.

Rather than buffing her current kit why not just change her entire kit over all and actually add more in depth play styles to her that require skill rather than just button mashing. The only thing that considers any skill (if any) is knowing what power cord to use but even then Q usually takes the win there.

Personally I would much rather see sona go into a "debuff" damage support rather than buffing. I feel this would give her a more unique play style and not just a jack of all trades, with a kit like that she will always be support queen or cannon minion support, she just won't find true balance with her current kit at all, same goes with karma.

@riot please stick to a direction on a champion and stop giving her the best of all world's, you will never find balance in that, sona is not bisexual she's mute.

I'm curious how you would make her abilities require more skill to use. All i can think of is making them skill shots, but that then requires them all to be super buffed to compensate. Or i suppose you could make it so that the buffs only work while allies are in the aura. But then you have to make the buff strong enough to be noticeable but weak enough that 3 seconds of it doesn't turn a power champion into an unstoppable champion.

A little PeepoAug 26, 20161 votes

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I'm curious how you would make her abilities require more skill to use. All i can think of is making them skill shots, but that then requires them all to be super buffed to compensate. Or i suppose you could make it so that the buffs only work while allies are in the aura. But then you have to make the buff strong enough to be noticeable but weak enough that 3 seconds of it doesn't turn a power champion into an unstoppable champion.

Im not sure how but I always felt that adding skill shots to her kit wouldn't exactly solve her issues in the long run. Idk I have played a few rpgs and I remember playing Forsaken World and playing the bard class, I really liked the idea on how the bard class had a chord system where certain abilities would grant you a chord and after getting 3 chords or so you would start playing a song (buff). The class was very unique because every buff had its usefulness and you could only have 1 up at the time. One of them would grant you and your allies bonus damage, the other would grant you bonus attack speed and movement speed and the other would grant you and your allies a HoT. It really made that class unique and added skill in a healthy way on how to play them to their fullest potential. Im not saying something like this would make Sona all of a sudden a balanced champion but I feel that something like this would add more options to balance her around instead of just having auras for clicking 1 button and just giving her more options on what rotation would benefit her team the most. Its not the MOST unique thing ever thought of but thats just my opinion, sorry for the late reply lol

AsheGetsGankedJul 23, 20162 votes

She needs to be reworked. It's not working out

Theiki KayleJul 18, 20161 votes

Legend has it there were Graves mains before the rework.

And there were also Malzahar mains.

Both never got to play their champs after they got reworked. And when they did, people cried that they were abusing OP freelo (people still cry about Graves).

PoohsJul 18, 20161 votes

Just came back to boards after a while, it's funny to see all of the circlejerking you guys keep shitting all the time, Used to be Riven, then it went to Vayne, then Yasuo, then Zed , Azir and now of course Sona.

This reminds me why I quit boards in the first place. omgggg instant damage no skillshot and instant shield = "skilled champ" -__ mains

You just keep whining about champions that keep destroying you, just wait for the tuning down, she just got reworked, there is no need to talk crap about people who mained her before the rework.

ElewdJul 18, 20161 votes

you should see some of the mains for sona commenting on these threads, they've been saying shes weaker overall and needs buffs and anyone who thinks shes strong is delusional.

PoohsJul 20, 20161 votes

They can say whatever they'd like, but trashing the whole sona players is not needed at all, it just makes certain people feel simply bad for playing a champion they love, I know this since I used to main RIven for a while in season 4-5.