"We nerfed the cooldown on Vi's ult because her ganks were too strong"
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ChaddyFantome21 votesAt least Lee Sin has to land his fucking Q and can be stopped mid travel. And I say this as someone who hates going against the mofo.
Vi's ulti is stupid.
Mira Arya Enthe92 votesVi's ult is meant to counter all the dodgy-mc-dodgerton champions in the game with unlimited mobility.
Penns7 votesAnd whats meant to counter Vis ult? Mobility isnt even a problem, almost all viable champs were/are immobile lately lol
Mira Arya Enthe21 votesEven the mildest form of tankiness... positioning... The fact that she only does damage if she builds squishy as hell... positioning... wards... positioning...
Penns3 votesTalking about her ganks. And "the mildest of tankiness" doesnt do anything lol. Also implying Warrior + Trinity is "squishy as hell".
Mira Arya Enthe26 votes
+ 
"Hey Cait, far up the river I spy an enemy Vi!"
+
Fall back to tower
"Darn wasted time walking towards that lane again... guess at most I can scan their ward and hope to try again soon..."
Penns4 votesSo basic "counterplay" to literally any jungler that isnt Eve makes Vi unable to be overpowered?
Mira Arya Enthe6 votesVi is overtuned. However she doesn't have zero counterplay as you imply. She was considered garbage for a while(earlier in S6), the new jungle and masteries have made her pretty impressive, Riot is fixing that.
GayFluffyUnicorn13 votesWho considered her garbage? Vi is and NEVER was garbage especially in soloQ. She has just been overshadowed by devourer cancer and busted meta junglers like nida, gragas and elise.
Sad Tyrant1 voteslol Vi is now part of BloodRazer Cancer now
Knoyle4 votesThat sounds absolutely stupid and throwy.
HazyCloud73 votesIf she's overtuned why haven't we seen her in competitive play this year? Unless you mean after the addition of CoC, but that's getting nerfed.
Spaceman5pff4 votesHeaven forbid there is a champion in the game that can reliable gank an Ezreal.
People can cry about Lee Sin being favorited by Rito, but no champ has been coddled by them as much as Ezreal.
Aptest13 votesi am not familiar with this green item what is it ?
Mira Arya Enthe23 votesIt negates several deaths, between 0-6 over the course of a game. It also gives you a few free kills per game. On another note, it actually has a hidden passive that causes all your teammates to make better decisions.
Aptest14 votessounds awesome!
but i don't see it in the shop... how do i get it? does it drop off a mob in the jungle ?
Arthimetes16 votesThere are legends than if you play on the howling abyss, there is an extremely rare chance to come across the "sage poro". Talking to this poro will start a quest that consists of several epic boss fights and one fight against the king poro himself.
If you are able to subdue the king poro he will then drop the Pebble of Seeing.
If you throw gold at this item and nurture and feed it, it will eventually grow into that which you are seeking. 
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PermabannedGaren8 votes[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2U8zsBbh,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-27T20:40:57.089+0000)
"Wards let you know ganks are coming."
Great insight!
Is Lee Sin somehow immune to wards? I didn't realize, thanks for telling me.
Big Lincoln62 votesThe fact that she only does damage if she builds squishy as hell
horse shit
is all she needs to wreck face
Mira Arya Enthe37 votes2625g + 3733g invested later... Not to mention potions, boots, etc.
Big Lincoln21 votesdoesn't matter, she isn't squishy.
Malicious Metal28 votesOh she is buddy.
Big Lincoln37 voteswhen the rest of her build is 
no, she isn't.
Malicious Metal18 votesYeah, she has to get those first. If she invests in those early she'll deal no damage.
She invests in early offense and into later defense.
NiceTryVi47 votesOK, I am a Vi main. I have about 650k mastery points in Vi. You can shut up right now. You seem to be missing the vital point here. Vi is a bruiser. Vi does damage, not as much damage as and ADC though. Vi is tanky, but not as tanky as a Tank is. That is the point. She goes in, fucks up 1 or 2 people, and hopes her team does the rest because even those items doesn't save her against 3 or 4 remaining angry teammates. Trinity force is EXPENSIVE AS HELL. You get Tri on Vi at about 20 minutes in a good game, 18 in a great one, and 22 in a bad one. If you dont think can finish it by then, you get a BC and become a real tank. the tradeoff is you do far less DPS. That is how things work. Vi is a diver, she is meant to jump in and disrupt things, and live just long enough for her team to follow up. If there's no followup, she dies. If she builds enough damage to kill people, she has no survivability, and she dies. If she builds full tank, she has little damage, and doesn't kill anyone, and there is a high possibility that, you guessed it, she dies. Everything that is Vi is dependent on 1 of 2 things happening. 1) she catches her target out, and because she is a duelist, can surprise them and outduel them with her long-cooldown but potent CC and burst. 2) She dives in a teamfight and hopes her team follows up on her ulti. That's it. If a Vi jumps in with no backup, she has seconds to live. If she tries to 1v1 an enemy carry and misses her Q, she has even less time to live. VI is not OP, Vi is not bullshit. Vi is balanced and you dont know how she works. If she was as broken as you seem to think, she would have a much higher play rate and win rate before the most recent patch, which basically buffed all divers and tanks.
Big Lincoln8 votesyou're gold 5, i don't care
jwn817545 votesWhen you have no counter-argument against someone with legitimate reasons.
jadelink2 votesAgreed, she isn't inherently OP. Colossus mastery has made her somewhat that way this last patch though, as having a megashield when diving in the middle of the enemy team is very powerboosting for diving bruisers who possess hard CC.
Hopefully the new nerfs will put that back in place for everyone.
AirKingNeo5 votesNot really, her base stats cover her until ADs hit 3 items. But that's all bruisers, they spike best off 2 items. Hence, the game is won from the top down as the saying is.
Spaceman5pff3 votes + CoC + her passive is quite a lot of free effective HP for initiating.
She is much tankier than she seems at face value.
this is likely a top-tier Vi build, with Cleaver a viable 2nd item swap for Trinity, and Maw a viable swap for Banshee.
Run this with CoC and you have one hell of an initiator.
NiceTryVi3 votesYou dont run Locket, you get GA, Steraks, or ZZ. Cleaver is only viable replacement for trinity if you are behind because its cheaper, but it reduces her DPS by a lot because she doesn't get the 40% AS, which makes a huge difference. So yeah, shes tanky, but doesn't do nearly as much damage as everyone here seems to claim she does.
Venomar3 votesNot to mention any form of hard CC completely ruins her incredibly telegraphed ult.
Or once it's started it carries her to your location no matter what, so you know, dodge flash Force her to turret dive or something.
Ok sure but why29 votesVi has to CHARGE her Q and then have to land it
Critmaster Garen16 votesAt least Lee Sin has to land his fucking Q
no he doesnt. you dodge it, he hits a minion next to you, dashes into it and still kicks you into his buddy for half your health bar.
ChaddyFantome5 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2U8zsBbh,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2016-11-27T20:42:51.424+0000)
no he doesnt. you dodge it, he hits a minion next to you, dashes into it and still kicks you into his buddy for half your health bar.
Thats assuming he his a minion to begin with. And even then, that still gives you an opening and a chance to get away. Vi presses R on you and there is nothing you can do except hope the enemy can't instabop you and you can hopefully fight back.
Escheton7 votesThats assuming he his a minion to begin with. And even then, that still gives you an opening and a chance to get away. Vi presses R on you and here is nothing you can do except hope the enemy can't instabop you and you can hopefully fight back.
Doesn't matter. Lee has like 400 base movespeed. If he misses q he just walks up to you.
ChaddyFantome2 votesDoesn't matter. Lee has like 400 base movespeed. If he misses q he just walks up to you.
....Not sure if serious or just trolling at this point. [slayer-jinx-unamused]
HazyCloud711 votesEh its an exaggeration but his point is a relevant one. 350 base ms on a kit with a crazy amount of mobility is overkill.
Hayaishi23 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2U8zsBbh,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2016-11-27T20:42:51.424+0000)
no he doesnt. you dodge it, he hits a minion next to you, dashes into it and still kicks you into his buddy for half your health bar.
So you are comparing Lee using more than half his kit to pull a gank that in this case requieres some mechanical skill to pull off to Vi pressing R. People in this forum never cease to amaze me.
Verdade4 votesVi is countered by single shield/exhaust/heal/any form of tankiness
Dominick Destine20 votesInb4 lee mains "BUT MUH SKILL CHAMP" about one of the easiest champs in the game (Lee sin)
Marshbouy24 votesLee sin is not one of the easiest champions in the game. Not saying he is anything difficult (especially when this powerful) but one of the easiest in the game? Now you just sound like a QQing bronze.
bbQsauçe11 votes[deleted]
Marshbouy22 votesIf you bitch about 
you basically get handed free upvotes.
Doseqis2 votesI'm actually confused how someone can say that, i can't play lee even close to a 50% winrate since he is so hard people complain that Lee has a over 50% winrate on Champion.gg but don't realize that the site only uses plat+ players in their calculations.
Lee is still pretty much giving the enemy a free win in lower elo
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