He has 52% winrate. RIckless come on dammit you are becoming a sorry meme at this point. Adding a execute on his shiv again is like asking for BIG trouble. Shaco is based on the concept of playing dirty, if you add blunt power to his kit its obvious his winrate will go up
CatSith1 votesThey are removing his HP% Dmg.
Craft Zeppelin1 votesThey are removing his HP% Dmg.
Yeah, and the execute they are adding in is absolutely ridiculous since it is more stronger early game.
53011 votesIt's not that strong early game
Shaco's winrates were often built by mains in the past. If it's 52 right now and he has a low play rate, then this shouldn't be too bad. However, I'm not sure what his pickrate is right now. Shaco isn't top tier right now since the meta favors low economy junglers, I don't think this will push him over the top. A challenger jungler called tarzaned made a tier list recently. One of his tier lists before put Shaco at S tier with Ivern and highlighted his bruiser build. If I remember correctly, Shaco is about Lee tier, meaning he's not problematic. He's unhealthy (unlike Lee) but not problematic
On most jungle camps autoing would often do more damage than using E. The exceptions would be red and blue
In a gank it barely does more damage than an auto if I remember correctly. Now it will actually do more than tickle like how it used to
The buffs aren't a bad thing. I played a damage build for the first time in a while. As of right now assassin Shaco's burst feels somewhat underwhelming and the bruiser build is even more brain dead than Annie
The buff will ruin AP Shaco's damage, Shaco's objective control and his damage to tanks, in theory. It also makes him easier to itemize against
In conclusion, don't worry yet. PBE changes aren't guaranteed to go live (for example the Riven "edge" resource change was busted as fuck and scrapped) and we don't know if this is going to break Shaco
Big Lincoln1 voteszzzzz they're killing his bruiser build and removing his % damage
0 reason you should consider this a bad thing
Craft Zeppelin1 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RVt1Inn,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-06-14T02:18:36.934+0000)
zzzzz they're killing his bruiser build and removing his % damage
0 reason you should consider this a bad thing
I rarely see him building bruiser. Statistic websites has zero samples of him building bruiser and getting successful results. And I think this balance change is not based on the fact to change that build.
If my teams shaco is building bruiser just for a high cooldown shiv % damage. It looks really troll to be honest since you cant spam it out.
Lady Hammerlock1 votes[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RVt1Inn,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-06-14T02:23:47.585+0000)
I rarely see him building bruiser. Statistic websites has zero samples of him building bruiser and getting successful results. And I think this balance change is not based on the fact to change that build.
If my teams shaco is building bruiser just for a high cooldown shiv % damage. It looks really troll to be honest since you cant spam it out.
Can you try to check multiple websites
a single source just isn't reliable enough
Craft Zeppelin1 votesCan you try to check multiple websites
a single source just isn't reliable enough
...You know these statistic websites are basically using the same exact riot api that riot provides right? Changing websites dont magically change the stats provided by riot themselves.
Gildarzt1 votesTrinity, titanic and ga 70% win rate, and you say there is not a sample of bruiser build XD
Craft Zeppelin1 votesTrinity, titanic and ga 70% win rate, and you say there is not a sample of bruiser build XD
Shaco is WINNING the game with those items without further purchase how is this bruiser its just a burst build with GA on it. Ravenous is hardly built anymore because of how crap it is unless you want sustain or either you are renek or riven.
Gildarzt1 votesWhat do you think is a bruiser?
SEKAI1 votes[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RVt1Inn,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2017-06-15T21:37:42.260+0000)
Shaco is WINNING the game with those items without further purchase how is this bruiser its just a burst build with GA on it. Ravenous is hardly built anymore because of how crap it is unless you want sustain or either you are renek or riven.
Tri-force and Titanic isn't what we call a burst build, though. Burst build is usually penetration based, crit based (in late game), or raw AD/AP, and any combination of the above.
53011 votesThis won't kill bruiser Shaco. This change shouldn't be too bad. Before the rework he was fine with his old E. Making it physical damage is probably the most painful change here. This hurts the AP build a lot though