The entire assassin class is practically irrelevant in this season

LegitBacon66··7 votes·558 views

If you have marksmen who can do everything 2x better, why does this class exists? Maybe for that ONE game where the team comp needs an assassin, but even then it is still useless.

Yes they do damage when they're ahead - Goes for every champion Yes in low elo, they will be quite good - That argument is used for everything

Katarina Is probably the most rewarding of them all but has an insane skill cap like azir. Rengar Probably the strongest, but he is perma banned and even better he is played like a brick wall Khazix Probably the highest damaging assassin in the game, but even then you need to isolated for him to do damage Akali Lol Fizz What was the point of even changing this champion? Ekko In some cases he still does his damage, but other AP mages are way better than him right now Ahri The way she is played, Let me just land that one charm, doesn't feel assassin like Talon He has very good skirmishing power, but his damage heavily is dependent on being in melee range for Q Zed Will always be Zed. This champion I still have some success with Leblanc Does incredible damage, but got nerfed...

All these champions have older brothers/sisters who do better than them.

I also semi-feel like we are going to see ADC's in every role AGAIN in LCS

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MissingKayo4 votes

What assassins?

Oh you mean those minions that give more gold for killing them?

SGT Dingle Berry3 votes

They seem fine to me. I feel like people think assassin and automatically assume they should be able to jump into a group of 5, fart on the back line and they die and the assassin should get away Scott free.

MissingKayo3 votes

No, assassins should be able to assassinate. And get in and out of they're good. They should be able to do both. They can't do either.

Ralanr1 votes

So they should make grouping pointless if they're of equal skill level?

MissingKayo1 votes

If they're equal skill level, it'd be approximately 50-50 chance.

Ralanr1 votes

So their biggest weakness wouldn't actually be that harmful to them if they were on equal skill level?

Does that really sound right?

MissingKayo1 votes

? If they were equal skill level, they'd have an equal chance of success and failure. Is that an issue?

Ralanr1 votes

Yes because it's a 50/50 chance against their intended weakness.

If you're fighting a player if equal level and you begin to exploit a weakness of theirs, your chance of winning should increase. It shouldn't remain 50/50.

MissingKayo1 votes

And if they are equal skill level, they could outplay said other player trying to exploit their weakness just as well as the one trying to exploit it. Hence 50/50.

Ralanr1 votes

But then it's not really an equal skill level because it's no longer a 1v1. It's a grouping.

If the chances of success for a lone assassin to kill their target when they are grouped is 50/50, then the assassin really doesn't have a weakness. Especially if played well.

MissingKayo1 votes

Oh, didn't read correctly.

It should be far harder for an assassin to take on a group.

An assassin against a solo carry shouldn't even be a question. The carry should get obliterated into dust in less than a second almost every single time.

Ralanr1 votes

That I agree with but only if the assassin plays it correctly or at least doesn't fuck up majorly against their target.

Assassins like Talon and Kat were given new ways to approach their target, rewarding creative use on using them so they can take their opponent by surprise (like an actual assassin) rather than just run up, dash behind them, and unload a full combo into their ass.

With Talon I've found that I have to use his E creatively to catch out running targets. Ended up getting a quadra kill yesterday thanks to it (and an Amumu ult. The enemy was grouping so I couldn't kill any of them without dying. My jungler ulted when they were taking a tower and I ended up killing two during the ult and the next two when chasing).

MissingKayo1 votes

Completely correct.

Ralanr1 votes

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Completely correct.

Glad we came to an agreement.

Zen Ineth1 votes

Assassins should not be allowed to get out. If they have that much damage potential, then they should jump in, get their target, and then die.

MissingKayo2 votes

Oh boy, here comes the ignorance.

If you really think that, there's no point wasting time or effort debating with you. Leave that to people who actually know what they're talking about.

But hey, let's put an auto-death function on every ADC and mage after killing anyone, sure, why not.

mosaickle2 votes

Katarina You just stated how she's balanced now. Rengar Played like a 'brick wall'? As in the same pattern again and again? That's something Riot didn't fix for sure Khazix His full damage potential relies on having an enemy team with bad teamplay/grouping; something he can't directly control Akali :P Fizz He's become that 'weird guy' for sure, especially his R changes and Q bug Ekko Fighter's syndrome on an assassin. Either feast or famine this one Ahri I agree, I don't think initiating as Ahri has been different Talon I also agree, but I actually think this uhh, 'sense' of counterplay (and mechanics) makes him funner and more balanced Zed You have success with him? Damn son I dunno why he's on my "can't play no matter what" list along with Riven and Nasus Leblanc One word: Counterplay. Finally :P

bbQsauçe1 votes

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Ralanr1 votes

I think that's because assassins were mostly shifted to early mid rather than late. In fact a lot of them were midgame champions unless extremely fed. Zed was never useful late unless he was stupid fed at least.

Katarina and Rengar (maybe Leblanc, I don't see her much) are now more late game.

MissingKayo3 votes

They were never ever late game. They were ALWAYS early/mid.

Ralanr2 votes

So (not really disagreeing here) why does everyone complain that they're useless late?

In playing Talon I only feel useless when I feed out my ass. Even if I can't kill people because they're grouped I can exert pressure in other lanes by pushing waves or taking towers.

Assassins are meant to take out primary targets. That doesn't always mean enemy champions.

MissingKayo1 votes

First of all, everyone groups in late. AKA, if an assassin jumps on a carry, ESPECIALLY with how slow their burst is now, they get instantly CC'd and mauled to death in half a second, let alone Exhaust or the ridiculously strong shield items that can shield like an entire ADC's damn health bar.

Second of all, said primary targets ARE the carries, AKA the enemy champions. They don't attack fast enough to tower shred and most of them are complete shit at it and splitpushing is only a pseudo-alternative due to them usually being able to get away. If they can't kill the carries, there is no fucking reason to be an assassin. Play Tryndamere for splitpushing or a mage for team fights and vaporizing carries at a safe distance with AoE burst instead.

RavenMagus4 votes

The thing is - in the late game, assassins used to be able to at least kill an enemy ADC if they manage to catch them out alone somewhere.

But now, most of the assassins can't even do that 1v1 against an ADC. The ADC will just right click and 3 shot them in under a second while the assassins still need 1.5-2 seconds for their "burst damage".

Very Hard Engage1 votes

what you're leaving out is that the most popular ADC's are cait, (zoning traps, and E escape) ezreal (has a built in escape, innate bulkiness with blue build) and vayne (who has a targeted knockback/stun and her ult to escape)

i can guarantee you that assassins still destroy twitch/jhin/mf/jinx etc.

MissingKayo2 votes

Twitch - lol no, he stealths and runs. Jhin - pray he's not on his fourth in late game if you're anywhere less than like 95% health, or that you can assassinate him before he auto-q cancel-auto-Ws you or auto-Ws you and then murders you. MF - she still has a MS boost as well as a slow. Jinx - she has a slow as well as traps.

If they actually work with their team, assassins are virtually minions.

Ralanr1 votes

Twitch: if he survives long enough to stealth then I agree.

Jhin: why would you ever engage on him when he has his 4th shot up anyway?

MF: she still loses it from taking damage and if she uses the active then you should have Ghostblade or something to help catch up.

Jinx: you should get most of her health down before she even brings out the traps. Her slow is also not hard to dodge.

RavenMagus1 votes

No, we're talking late game, remember? The ADCs aren't running from assassins at that point anymore.

Twitch: he turns on ult and three shots the assassin. He most likely gets the first hit in anyways, because he's Twitch and he has a long term stealth. He's a better assassin than the assassins.

Jhin: He two shots the assassin without needing a 4th shot.

MF: Auto-doubleup-auto will be most of the assassin's health as is. Maybe an assassin could kill her before she gets a third shot in though? But that's probably before the assassin's 1.5-2 second wait timer is ready.

Jinx: She switches to minigun and kills the assassin with autoattacks.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

in this situation rengar jumps on top of you through GA and 1hkos you with a 1900crit.

RavenMagus1 votes

Rengar can do it still, Kha'zix has a good shot at it too. Maybe Zed, since even if he dies his death mark still goes off. The rest of the assassin cast, though... good luck. Leblanc will hit her chains and then die before it finishes, Kat dies before her daggers hit the ground, Talon either dies before he's in range or he uses his damage to gapclose instead and dies in melee, Fizz has a chance with max range ult and that's about it, Akali... uh... well... yeah...

Junkο1 votes

But they nerfed assassin items across the board so they are only useful mid/late where most assassins fall off.

Limmie1 votes

Forgot Shaco...

dominusx1 votes

Kha can't even do anything post 30mins anymore. with all the shields and lockets and tanks and shit you dive in you get instakilled or you cant kill anyone and u are forced to flash out. Only way for kha to be viable late game is an expencive as fucj bruiser build and thats if you get the drop on a squishy before you get chunked to half health and have steraks popped.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

Akali hard carried me when fed.

Then again... low elo... and fed... so both those requirements were fulfilled.

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

summoner 3 Why the assassin rework doesnt work. We still have this old hard counter to the original assassins that wasnt nerfed when we nerfed them all in the reworks.

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