Can riot stop making every marksman completely anti melee?

Dasdi96·Mar 8, 2018·3 votes·286 views

The new champion kai'sa has so much anti melee shit in her kit. the current newest adc has 2 self peel tools in her e root and ult. In addition to this, the marksman rework back in s6 give some marksman more anti melee shit in their kit. Let see here: they gave her 5 traps as well as 1300 range for 1 attack, reducing the chances of melee champions reaching her. it is impossible to lane a melee bruiser against her Let's not forget the classics: completely IMMUNE to immobile melee champion due to hr having a dash on every attack (about 0.6 second cooldown late) I have a dash on a 4 second cooldown 2 second cooldown tumble, a knockback that can stun if hit a wall, and can 1 second stealth many times so you don't know where she pops out Let's not forget that they usually have a support with a kit specifically designed to fuck over melee champions.

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redniwediSMar 8, 20182 votes

They have mechanics that help them against melee champs, but it's the strength of their items and supports that really push them over the edge.

I'm a Garen one trick, and I actually really enjoy laning against Quinn. She's nowhere near impossible to lane against unless she is simply far more skilled than you are. She also lanes solo, which really helps things out.

Caitlyn needs to be fed to stand a chance against me, Kalista too, and Vayne and Lucian all depend on if I can get on top of them in the first place. This is, of course, excluding their supports, which can just lock me down and make me useless.

My only problem with this is the intertwined necessity of kiting and chasing. If Vayne could run at me, or run away, but not both, I'd be perfectly content with how she currently is. If Lucian and Kalista couldn't dash away from me while I'm chasing them, only to chase with perfect effectiveness if I attempt to disengage, I'd be perfectly fine with how they are now.

Melees need to have some sort of action they can take. We need to be able to say "I can't escape them, but I can fight them", or say "I can't fight them, but I can run away". Giving the ranged champions every choice in this interaction is frustrating at best, and really makes the entire Juggernaut class feel pretty terrible to play at times. Some melees have gap closers they can use, but for the immobile ones Flash isn't enough, because the ranged champs have it too.

HethaleanMar 8, 20181 votes

Here I thought Kai'sa was the newest adc with almost 0 peel in her kit.

Kai GuyMar 8, 20181 votes

Sorry, you list every part of other champions kits that you feel is anti melee

Why exactly did you not do this for Kaisa If she has "so much anti melee shit in her kit." please list it the same way you did for all others.

Dokueki KenshinMar 8, 20181 votes

Quinn main here. While I’m not gonna say that Quinn doesn’t have an advantage against melee champs, “impossible” is definitely an exaggeration. She has one form of hard peel, Vault, which can be baited and is also her only form of escape aside from Flash. She has one form of soft peel, Blinding Assault, which is honestly not that hard to dodge or read through the vision reduction. She has one form of kite, through her W passive on Harrier marked champions, which still requires her to get in threat range of most melees. I’ve been dumpstered by melees, and I’ve dumpstered melees, too. It’s hardly a one sided transaction.

Also, this argument applies even less to Kai’Sa. She has no hard CC in her kit whatsoever, requiring your teammates to provide that for you.