What if it scaled with Armour instead of with health? Vayne would retain her identity as a tankbuster, but tanks wouldn't be inordinately punished for building something like Locket of the Iron Solari or Banshee's Veil. Then again, this change would make Dr Mundo quite literally God Himself™...
JustMyBassCannon2 votesFirst problem with scaling the damage on a target's Armor is the fact that the majority of Vayne's damage is Physical damage. The procs from Silver Bolts are the only non-physical damage built into her kit. 80-90% of her damage is the physical damage from the 3 basic attacks required to proc Silver Bolts. Making the damage scale on the target's Armor, when used in tandem with Armor Penetration, would mean that the counter-itemization would be broken, because now her damage scales more based on the type of defense that normally screws her over.
Second problem is a problem for the Vayne player; if any of your allies pick up a Black Cleaver, they're going to end up screwing over your damage output. You can't do that to %HP damage, there is no ability that reduces a champion's maximum Health. But there are abilities and items that shred Armor and MR, which would definitely cause problems for Vayne.
Kouga1 votesCoherent, valid, thoughtful responses.
I must have stumbled into the Twilight Zone boards. +1, and I agree with everything you said there, even as much as I tend to disdain %Max HP True Damage as a mechanic.
LordGeovanni1 votesthe mechanic that's only counter is to not get hit or be invulnerable to damage
Crett1 votesThornmail's damage ignores armor reduction; no reason this couldn't do the same
the other points, tho...
JustMyBassCannon1 votesThornmail's damage ignores armor reduction; no reason this couldn't do the same
Aside from coding differences, sure, they're somewhat similar. Except stat reductions universally reduce anything that scales on them.
Sure, Thornmail's damage return isn't affected by how much Armor the wearer possesses (thus not making it a counter-intuitive item), but it is reduced if the attacker has their damage reduced by AD reduction (which only exists on Tryndamere's W and probably won't stay for long).
Look at any champion ability that scales on Armor or MR. Slap them with some Armor/MR shred. Notice how the scalar goes down with their reduced stats.
Sure, there aren't exactly a multitude of examples for this, but that's still how it works. Having it ignore the Armor Shred when it scales on Armor would actually be counter-intuitive to the rest of the system.
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LordGeovanni1 votesarmor for the most part already doesnt do much to vayne because even if armor is built to counter her she is building armor pen crit and life steal at the same time while there is no garentee that she will even want to hit you especially not first
JustMyBassCannon2 votesYes, late-game, Armor Pen will allow Vayne to ignore it anyway, because offense always out-scales defense in the end-game, because nobody enjoyed Season 1.
There's a difference between Armor not affecting Vayne after 30 minutes and being punished for building Thornmail, Frozen Heart and/or Randuin's Omen.
LordGeovanni1 votesi wasnt even talking armor pen build crit and damge vayne can be hitting tanks for still 1000 damage just on autos like all the other adcs.
JustMyBassCannon2 votesYou'd have to be a pretty poorly built tank for that to happen. Even with just the base ~80 Armor champions naturally gain, dealing 1000 damage per basic attack--even after Crit--requires that Vayne have 600 AD on a Tumble-Crit with Infinity Edge.
Math too stronk for blatantly false claims.
Sure, if she takes a lot of basic attacks in a row, the tank will eventually accumulate 1000+ damage, but that's how AD Carries work, dumbass.
LordGeovanni1 votesconsidering tanks dont only tank ad they also ahve to build mr and hp would significantly lower armor also tank items have okay ish passives for balanced champions to horrible situational actives or passives that cant even compare to actives and passives on ad items same with tank champions to marksmen. marksmen are suppsoed to win by having their team peel for them and also they can do it for themselves too with high damage ratios one does not simply stand in vaynes face doing autos because she can tumble invisible tumble and knock you back and situation ally stun you
JustMyBassCannon2 votesWhat you wrote is a near incomprehensible mess whining about how tanks are underpriviledged, poor sods that can never win.
Yeah, no, you get no pity from me when you try to play those cards. It doesn't even have anything to do with the discussion at hand.
LordGeovanni1 votesi have large fingers so i hit the wrong buttons some time if you cant figure out 1 extra letter or misplaced letter on every 5th word that seriously leads me to doubt your intelligence.
JustMyBassCannon1 votesIt's not extra letters or misplaced letters, it's a fucking wall of text.
You used one period, no commas or any other form of text separation, and it's a whine post instead of anything solid to debate. It's literally not worth anyone's time to bother translating that into a coherent string of thoughts in the first place, because all they're going to get is more "Boo hoo, marksmen OP and tanks are in the dumpster" bullshit with absolutely no foundation to such claims.
