It all makes sense (Ziggs botlane)...

Seenan··2 votes·540 views

I already knew that his Satchel Charge was a ridiculous idea to implement, especially since destroying towers is already similar to slicing cheese. Not to be arrogant.

But look at the meta. It's always 3-5 man clown fiestas at bot, then rushing down the bot turret...Then roaming to mid and maybe even top (last I checked, this was the meta). With Ziggs being able to blow up the turret at ~800 hp minimum (assuming 3300 hp) early game, there's a stronger chance of it dying early to lead to the fuckery that is this meta, and causing a snowball. Ziggs' autoattack is pretty much his Q really, but if he gets lichbane and his passive proc, don't get near him. He already does maybe 250+ damage with that combo of items, while proccing lichbane every few seconds...but then he can just splode the turret if he hits it enough. And unless you can stop him from getting near, the turret will always be in range of getting fucked.

Now, it's a ridiculous idea to have someone like Ziggs bot...similar to Brand support (in terms of normal supporting), but since this meta is bent around rushing bot-turret first for some reason, it's a great idea. Kudos to the challenjours/LCS that find way to cheeze and/or fuck with the meta in games.

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Dark Nephthys1 votes

The only thing I'm wondering is why even put the Ziggs bot lane? Why not just play other very strong ADCs that can take towers really quick like Tristana and have Ziggs mid just walk bot lane for a fight and a tower? Or just play Ziggs support, because from what it sounds like (Since I actually haven't ran into it yet) is the Ziggs bot is actually replacing the ADC. When I first heard of the Ziggs bot, I thought it was as the support because honestly...if you are facing Tristana Ziggs Your turret doesn't exist anymore lol.

Erockandroll1 votes

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The only thing I'm wondering is why even put the Ziggs bot lane? Why not just play other very strong ADCs that can take towers really quick like Tristana and have Ziggs mid just walk bot lane for a fight and a tower? Or just play Ziggs support, because from what it sounds like (Since I actually haven't ran into it yet) is the Ziggs bot is actually replacing the ADC. When I first heard of the Ziggs bot, I thought it was as the support because honestly...if you are facing Tristana Ziggs Your turret doesn't exist anymore lol.

There's more to it that just insta blowing up weak tower with your W. Ziggs Job is still to do damage, which you really can't do easily from the support role.

I still ask the same questions though, Why take him bot side? It can't only be for his turret taking ability, he could do that effectively from mid lane as well. (Theoretically anyway) So why is he so much better bot side?

After watching a few streams, I can only conclude that it's a matchup kinda thing. That Ziggs some how has an advantage over normal ADC's at the moment. (Range of his Q, wave clear, etc) I considered the possible duo lane combo, except that the ziggs pick doesn't seem to be tied to any particular support pick. (That might be just because it's YoloQ)

But when I watch the streams, I kinda feel like the Ziggs pick relies too heavily on the snowballing gimmick that comes with his towertaking. Yes he can do a lot of damage to turrets, and still has his wave clear. But if your opponents build defenses too quickly, your damage is going to be on the wrong side of weak.

And if this Ziggs pick is the result of the state of ADC's, it's likely going to go out with a slight push in the meta.

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