Riot's community problem is so big, I'm not sure they even comprehend it

deadlychuck··3 votes·2,159 views

I've seen quite a few threads over the years, and with increasing frequency, about people complaining how their games are full of trolls or feeders. Which is likely increasingly true, however I'll briefly mention that a lot of these are false positives and the community has becomes increasingly salient of these behaviors over time.

The issue comes down to what's causing these players to appear so frequently. Obviously these people have always existed, but it's a particular mindset which drives players to act this way, and that shouldn't be ignored, because mindsets change. The idea that these players aren't the same players that you would've gladly played along side 3 years ago without issue is absurd. There wasn't some massive wave of trolls flooding the game, these are the existing audience of the game acting out.

So the question remains. Why are these players acting out? Well it's pretty clear, many of the players have become cynical about the game. They've just stopped caring about the actual goal of the game, because it no longer carries meaning to them. They've stopped caring about improving themselves, because they no longer view it as an achievement or bragging rights.

Now what's causing this? Well there's a few factors which can play into this for different players, but the one i'm going to focus on here, because I feel it's the most relevant, is that there's very little long term benefit. The knowledge that next season any achievement or knowledge obtained from this season is a massive contributor to this. Though, I think even more than that, the amount of champion changes is probably causing the most problems. Most people have a particular style of gameplay they enjoy in different games. I like defensive strategies in RTS games, DoT and HoT styles in action RPGs, MinionMancers in strategy RPGs, and Mobile melee brawlers in Dungeon crawlers. Yet, I'm under no misconception that these same play styles would be dreadfully boring to the majority of other players. After years of neglecting the players of a particular play style, they'll haphazardly remove them from the game.

Yet riot seems to have forgotten the concept of "target audience". Their only target seems to be a broader audience. Which means there's little time to concern yourself with the existing audience that you've already garnered. Every once in a while, you'll throw a bone to a subset of the existing audience, but that's rare enough that it seems a coincidence rather than intentional.

Riot doesn't seem to understand the beast that they're creating. A bunch of dedicated players, who are cynical about your game is worse than not having the players at all.


And none of that even starts to go into the other issues that can cause cynicism like growing authoritarian behaviors to player moderation, easily abused systems of punishment, or the constantly contradictory and/or hypocritical statements and actions.

Riot, you have a trust issue, and it's going to take at least twice as long to resolve the issue as it took to create it. And you've been creating it for years through your philosophy and practices.

9 Comments

MrFawknSunshine2 votes

hmm mind blowing a ONLINE "community" whos majority of player base are TEENAGERS are IMMATURE.

deadlychuck1 votes

Cynical isn't synonymous with immature. It's almost the opposite even, which is why cynicism tends to be associated with the "old and cranky" stereotype.

It's frustration due to experience, not anger due to ignorance.

MrFawknSunshine2 votes

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Cynical isn't synonymous with immature. It's almost the opposite even, which is why cynicism tends to be associated with the "old and cranky" stereotype.

It's frustration due to experience, not anger due to ignorance.

no im cynical majority of the player base is immature . im old n cranky

kaellidor1 votes

i think its that the older generation that started in season 1 and 2 are so much older than the ones they are advertising to now. i started season 3 and im 26 an older fart and im older than most of the pros and streamers that play.

i honestly think there should be a maturity test or legitimate hard restriction on age for games sometimes. only in games like this where you have to work with a team is this shit ever present. no one wants to play with a mentally instable player or immature player. i never had to deal with a baby rage quit, or an afk from an insult or bad game,or similar thing,playing WoW or other games that required cooperation to the same level as this game. i was even younger than riots target audience now playing those games and never had these kind of mental breakdowns or immaturity issues the newer side of the player base here has. i cant honestly tell if my generation of gaming just dodged a bullet or if players are getting worse since theres no stick to punish bad behavior with.

on a side note addressing the original post, id have to agree there is less motivation to win the games. the goal is now to exact revenge on the feeders in your games for some players.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

oh i dont disagree with the OP to a point. and as far as being old i got you beat. legit. beat. i graduated in 01.

but you get a video game which is going to draw to young teens to early 20 yr olds who are majority male who are knowing in the medical and scientific community as being immature as a whole due to their brain not being fully developed with the safety of being anonymous behind the internet/keyboard you are gonna have this. nothing you can do to change it.

riot dont want to put some kind of system in to stop those players either cuz it means less revenue for the company.

deadlychuck1 votes

Weird how mature the RTS players were when they fit the same demographic description, I think the issue is that MOBAs have accumulated many of the more mature strategy style of players and the less mature action style of players. I say this having played many MMOs, RTS, and FPS games. FPS was always the most shit talking and least mature.

Don't get me wrong, I just think that a lot of people are misidentifying cynical and unenthusiastic behaviors in matches with immaturity. When really, it's just people sick of... well basically everything to do with riot's decisions.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

i would agree in the past that the moba did attract more mature strategy style of players. but when it comes to league its far from what i was . it has been turned into a water down moba which is more prone to fights and kills all game then strategy. i feel its more of a combo of mortal combat & halo combined. riot has clearly made changes since season 5 to attract the younger/ casual player base. they have made alot of things in the game auto pilot. remember the days when you use to have track summoners cd? or jungle camp timers? actually had to budget for wards instead of every one getting them free? when it use to be a more defensive strategic game instead of the bloodbath fiestas we have now ? and since then i have felt ( in my opinion ) more immaturity creep into the player base.

and as far as cynical and unenthusiastic behaviors i can see some of that but that would go back to what i stated with the changes riot has done to make the game water down and friendly to casual players. i have played since end of season 2. i use to have fun with the game. i dont anymore. i only play cuz im legit sitting at home nothing to do nothing to watch on tv. so i might play a game or two just out of boredom. and i have been cynical since i was 12 ( its like that south park episode when stan wakes up one day and everything is shit ) yea thats me. LUL

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

haaaaaaalp2 votes

Riot's problem has never been their inability to identify a problem, they are just unable to fix the problems they do identify and tend to make things worse when they do try.

SS Big Daddy1 votes

every 2 games now there is an afk it never used to be that bad.

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