So... Guinsoo's Rageblade still exists btw.

FistOfSharkiesha··6 votes·1,105 views

Any plans on buffing it or anything to make it viable? The only champion who can even make slight use of it right now is hybrid Jax and even he doesn't use it to great effect when he could be building Nashor's or more AP.

Can we make it cost more and have better stats? Even with the passive fully stacked it's still outclassed by items that are simply much more powerful such as Gunblade and Deathcap, simply because it's so cheap it can never hold out in the lategame. I'm not saying it's bad in itself, it can be gold efficient (when stacked fully), but it's just so awkward. To use it you have to be in combat for several seconds and be close to death. In theory the best builds to use this would be tankier builds that can survive and put it to use. Most people building even slightly off tank would not consider building this item. Tbh Wit's End is even better on Jax than this is.

EDIT: Okay yes, a few other champions such as Kayle and Poppy can use it somewhat well. That's not the point of this thread. Just because a champion might build it once every 500 games doesn't mean it's in an okay state. It's an item that depends on other items in order to work (due to the 8 stacks and <50% hp necessary for it to work) and yet has bad lategame value. It would be a very viable item if it costed closer to 3200 gold and gave higher statistics.

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TurquoiseYoshi6 votes

What's a Rageblade?

Oh, and while we're at it, what's a Yorick?

Subject 55 votes

What is Guinsoo's Rageblade? LOL

FistOfSharkiesha3 votes

Gunblade's crappy evil twin.

Dr Poro4 votes

The problem is that it has no identity other than stats. In a world where you generally can't afford to pick more than 2 or 3 offensive items on melee champs, it has to compete with item 3146 and item 3115 . Both of these items have something more unique that you can't replace with other items (the AP scaling on hit for nashor's and the ap scaling active with huge slow for gunblade, although you can argue that it's pretty close to item 3153 and this item itself usually loses the comparison.)

The problem with guinsoo's is that it's neither AD orientated (like Jax would prefer) or AP orientated (like Kayle, Akali, Teemo would prefer).

I think the unique passive is also really bad. "Falling below 50% health ..." I feel like item 3053 's passive is just a better version of this.

The item needs a complete rework or just remove it. You can't just boost the stats because no one will pick it up because it's just stats, until it is so strong that you pick this item to "outstat your opponent" which is something Riot doesn't like (sorry Ireliaunwanted child).

67chrome2 votes

[{> Any plans on buffing it or anything to make it viable? The only champion who can even make slight use of it right now is hybrid Jax

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Kayle

Kayle has broken the meta with other items in as questionable a state as Rageblade. item 3115 item 3085 When talking about awkward items nobody can use - Kayle can use it. 100% chance.

FistOfSharkiesha2 votes

Only if she ults herself at <50% health, which is hard to do and restrictive. But yes, Poppy, Jax, and Kayle came to mind but Jax is the only one that can use it to full effect and doesn't have better options for a hybrid build. Kayle is overloaded with viable hybrid options.

Please understand the point of this thread guys. It's not to say that there are 3 champs in the game who might build this item once every 500 games. It's trying to revamp this item to be desirable.

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

It's a pretty good item to combo with Nashor's and some AP items for on-hit AP builds, Gunblade and Triforce for half bursty/half dps-ey hybrid builds. I find it quite alright on Kayle and Jax. Alone, it stinks though which makes it a lousy rush.

FistOfSharkiesha1 votes

Exactly, and that's precisely why I want it changed to a lategame item. Kayle and Jax use it well moreso because their ultimate allows them to extend trades rather than them being able to capitalize on AD, AS, and AP so well. If you buy Rageblade any sooner than like your 3rd item you shouldn't even be stacking it to the cap before the trade would end.

Cowgirl Ed2 votes

if you dont use ragemere on tryndablade then you deservg to lose

FistOfSharkiesha2 votes

Not really. Tryndamere is all about abusing his free AD and crit chance. You need AD first and foremost and then AS. You don't need AP. If anything, his only use for AP is healing and harassing with spinning. You have to stack 8 times to get gold efficient ap from the item so there's just no way to make it work on Tryndamere.

Cowgirl Ed2 votes

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Not really. Tryndamere is all about abusing his free AD and crit chance. You need AD first and foremost and then AS. You don't need AP. If anything, his only use for AP is healing and harassing with spinning. You have to stack 8 times to get gold efficient ap from the item so there's just no way to make it work on Tryndamere.

why the hell are you even answering seriously. apart from the fact that i was talking about ap trynda

Rebonack2 votes

Turn it into a hybrid %pen item that shares a named passive with Void and Whisper so they don't stack.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Rageblade can be built on Jax, Tryndamere and Kayle.

FistOfSharkiesha1 votes

Tryndamere is pushing it. It can work on him but there are always better options even assuming the rageblade is fully stacked and the passive is active. Kayle, yes but her build is already so stacked with viable items that there's no need to consider this. Nashor's + Rylais is core on her, then you build boots and Gunblade is too good to pass up. Usually you want Deathcap and Zhonya's too.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

AP Trynd. AP Xin Zhao can build it aswell. Works great when he is soloing towers.

Dr Poro1 votes

It CAN work, but there are better items if you want to go AP. And those items have a greater chance of making it work.

The Bíg Ticket2 votes

I always build Rageblade on AP Xin Zhao. Works awesome with his Q W E and R...it gives him more sustain, higher attack speed, more damage on all abilites and you can duel pretty much anyone.

lHopeBotWins1 votes

Bruiser Nidalee can make pretty good use of it as well.

FistOfSharkiesha1 votes

It's really not the point of the thread. Jax is the only one who uses it quite well. Every other champion has much better options even if they don't suck with Rageblade.

Point is it needs to be made into a lategame item or changed slightly. It depends on other items to be useful, and it is such a low price low benefit item that it sucks lategame.

Secret Butt Fun1 votes

Aatrox makes good use of it. I always build it on him. Add in some more life steal and a sated devourer, and he never dies.

dangopee1 votes

It's down there with frozen mallet in the list of items riot likes to pretend don't exist.

Sasogwa2 votes

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It's down there with frozen mallet in the list of items riot likes to pretend don't exist.

Well even fm has a niche on champions like Gnar in the Gnar vs Heca matchup. Rageblade is like, inferior to other choices by far. How could it ever compete with sthg like botrk?

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

Bruiser Teemo makes very great use of it. Kayle uses it pretty good as well. Poppy can build it as a last "F### yo' comp" item. Most hybrid champs could build this, if they're not casters and rely on on-hit.

Shénzhì1 votes

#Change the item's build-path for early game.

ComannderShepard1 votes

I like it on rumble. It makes his passive hilarious

rG Thundrag1 votes

Guinsoo' would be better talored towards the AD fighter class, remove the AP from the passive and the item and turn some of it into AD and give it CDR+ArPen then put item 3134 into the build and up the price accordingly.

Brutalizer is missing a lot of diversity since it no longer builds into BC

Akesgeroth1 votes

Guinsoo is still very good on Jax and Kayle. Can even still be good on Teemo and the rare AP Varus.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

Kayle and Jax work with Rageblade really well but I think the item could definitely be as good as Gunblade.

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