Why isn't Graves getting the Poppy treatment?

Jefftiffy·8/25/2018, 6:32:51 AM·4 votes·1,246 views

Seriously his reworked kit is pure BS. I'm surprised he is even allowed to be viable in his state for as long as he has. He is anti melee and anti ADC. The only thing he loses to is long range mages who have decent CC which haven't been viable for almost 3 seasons. The one counterplay to him is to have minions or someone capable of body blocking but conqueror basically removes the latter and minions aren't an issue when you are ganking normally.

His AAs are about the most broken thing in the game. Basically he's a melee champion that gets slightly extra range and does bonus damage if you stand right next to him. His reload system really isn't a hindrance in its current state. And even if it was he can force a reload with E. It scales with AS and the reloads are really fast anyways. His Q is basically if you are in the jungle or near tower 3x damage on that ability. His W just cuts off vision and the only 2 things in the game that do that are Quinn's Q which got nerfed because it was too strong and Nocturne's ult which is an ultimate and the original source of the debuff.

Honestly he needs 3 things done to his kit.

  1. His W needs to have a timer once it hits the ground until when the slow and debuff his even if its only like .5s
  2. His Q instant detonation on contact with a wall needs to be removed. It literally makes over 50% of the map off limits.
  3. His AAs need to do reduced damage early in the game and he needs to behave like everyone else with item 3071. A full burst AA should not proc 4 stacks on item 3071 non crit.

8 Comments

Paroe8/25/2018, 6:35:36 AM1 votes
  1. Graves is a marksman so he has riot privilege.
  2. Graves is a non-standard marksman so he flies under the radar.
  3. Graves is a caster so hes allowed to do the insane damage he does.
  4. Graves is meant to be the "bruiser" marksman, and gets a great deal of free stats in that regard.
JackMcSnipeyz8/25/2018, 8:40:17 AM1 votes

Graves is not anti adc. He is good againat melee, anything with range can counter him, AP damage counters him, denying him early lead counters him, he has no utility, no CC, only damage. Until the push for early junglers, he was 46% winrate for almost a year. He's strong now, yes, the meta favors his early game power, but he's not OP

Beatrice falls8/25/2018, 12:50:30 PM1 votes

In ARAM once I get item 3071 item 3046 item 3156 item 3046 I'm literally unkillable and can be the team's tank, yes jumping 1v5 and outhealing the incoming damage. Guess it's fine [slayer-jinx-wink]