Poppy was sitting at the bottom winrate of any toplane tank in 8.8

They really shouldn't have taken the .25 seconds off of snapcast.

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They say they wanted to weaken how long she lasts in a fight but buff what she does in a fight.

Honestly I feel like they’ve just nerfed both.

Good. I hope she's garbage forever. Post-rework Poppy players don't deserve to play her tbh.

I don't believe that we need a larger carry distance, that is too much to ask and is wishful thinking.

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As a Poppy player, the R changes feel like it's worse than before. The knockup lasts too short to do anything with. Where before you could E wall slam, Q, auto, reset with R, Q, auto, the enemy gets away before the second Q is off cooldown now.

In addition, engaging W's movespeed into R snap cast doesn't work either since the quarter second reduced knockup doesn't let her get close enough to followup with the Q (which was in large part the point of the change: letting her R and still damage the airborne target with Q.)

The net result is a Nerf to R, two nerfs to W, and nerf to her base stats all for 50 crappy extra range on her P and E. The latter of which doesn't even get a longer carry distance with the increased range largely defeating the point.

Noted that too, the R change is definitely worse, its worthless now.

What? Poppy doesn't do anywhere near that damage lol. Q double taps for 8% (16% total). Unless she's got a crap load of AD, that's not going to happen.

And nothing about Poppy's kit has made her immortal since her rework..... just ..... whut? Her Armor and Resist gain while on W isn't even that strong, and never was. Garen has more resist/armor on HIS W permanently than Poppy has.

Poppy has never been able to do anything before 2.5 items. She has extremely low base resistances and only gets tanky once she has enough items for her W to make up the difference.

She also has extremely low base AD and only gets strong from AD gained by levels. This is why she's a strong character in the mid to mid-late game. She reaches her item spikes and gets the most out of her Kit at that point. Before then she gets absoltely reamed by every fighter or poke champ in the game, and after that she falls off in favor of tanks with better cc and strong sustained damage or shred picks.

That could happen, If I am level 6 and you are level 3 I could take so much of your health, but that means you suck not Poppy is op. In fact, I will go out on a limb and say almost every champion in the whole game even could probably do 3/4 of your HP if you are far behind enough. With such a poor pick rate I doubt you have played vs many Top Lane Poppy players recently which is fine.

You really have no clue. Good fighters and bruisers always beat tanks, and that's not Poppy's only role. There are at least 35 fighters who literally can fight Poppy with 0 counterplay, because they don't have to use Dashes.

All beat the living crap out of Poppy if played correctly, to the point where vs most of them, she doesn't even have time to cast her R to knock them back. You won't get E angles on most of them, and most of them have faster move speed boost and options to prevent you from escaping.

It's not at all "Just Adcs".

I dare you to Poppy Jungle vs an Udyr. Udyr will literally wipe the floor with you.

You can only run Poppy vs a team that has obvious and I mean OBVIOUS counterplay. Like ..... Mid (He's always going to be running into a wall, and you can interrupt his wall jump with E)

Or..... (you can stun him when he tries to ult or Living Shadow jump near you, negating his kit)

Poppy's best job is killing adcs. Dunno where you get this idea that they are why she loses. It's melees who stick and can run faster, more often, who are still right next to her after she E's or can run right around or through her Q.

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another guy with "bbbbbut winrate is lower than 50%, that must mean the champion is weak rrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee". Like for real. How many times do you have to be reminded that win rate means nothing. Tanks are overly oppresive in lane. Fighters are nothing compared to tanks. Except maybe camille and fiora but those are broken by default so no surprize here. Every fighter/bruiser get sht on by base dmg of tanks and is unable to deal dmg to those tanks simply because they build tanky. There is no drawbacks in picking tanks. You have both dmg and tankyness. Bruisers needs to build dmg first in order to be effective and kill or deal dmg. Tanks get dmg by default, can build tank items and many of those tank items include additional dmg (sunfire cape, thornmail, deadmans plate).Tanks have low winrates only because ADCs are so broken they can build full crit and still melt through tanks. But that is an adcs problem. Other classes are sht and cant deal with tanks even in a time when tanks are supposed to be the weakest -early game. Dont even get me started on assassins, which are the least usefull class in entire game outside of over tuned 2 - rengar and kha zix. They can be decently effective because they are simply broken. Tanks in soloq are free win mainly because top players try to pick aggresive champions but can get a cockblocked by one guy who decides to counterpick with tanks. Only ADC can stop that tank and thats only in late game when adc has 3-4 items. So you pick tank and render the enemy top laner useless by default.

No one says winrates mean nothing.

They say quoting ONLY the winrate means nothing.

But since poppy has low damage, assist, kills, play rate AND winrate.

We can safly assume she needs help.

Edit: her assist be okay. But thats it.

2nd edit: lol the first tank in top lane on the list is 14th in winrate. Yea man tanks be OP bra. Lets ignore the 7 bruisers ahead of that tank.

Then again, Riot nerfed poppy for being a "stat stick" then buffs Mundo's stat checking in the very same patch.