So is Camille ban worthy?

SGT Dingle Berry··3 votes·2,785 views

I've seen a lot of posts claiming she is OP, but what kind of OP are we talking here, outplay OP where it actually takes some skill or simple right click style OP? Just wondering if I should continue with my normal Yasuo/Vayne/Lee Sin/Rengar/Jayce bans or put Camille on the top of that list?

19 Comments

Ralanr2 votes

In ranked? Yes. Not because she may be OP, but because she's too much of a wildcard to have someone play her well on release.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

I tend to ban new champions for the first week or two so I don't have to see them every single game.

If you are playing ranked games, ban her to avoid getting any "Camille mains/one-tricks" who have been playing her "since they day she was released".

As to her actual strength, I have no idea.

Martensitic2 votes

I tend to ban new champions for the first week or two so I don't have to see them every single game.

You know that kind of behaviour, is contributing to the balancing problems, do you?

Because...in doing so, you make sure Riot gets as little data from the initial release as possible. Without a large amount of data, they cannot and will not make balancing changes. So by the time you realise that you waste a ban on something you have no idea of how op/up it is, and have many games overrun by champions which you KNOW to be op, and start getting ban patterns back to normal, the champion is still unchanged.

And if THEN it turns out to be op, oh boy, then things get funny.

Because now you are caught between a rock and a hard place...ban the op champion, or the new champion, who couldve been nerfed by that point...one or the other will get through.


Similar problems occur on underpowered champions: Those remain up for a huge amount of time (Hello Bard) up to the point where they are essentially useless (Hello Bard again). And then, when the banning goes away, Rito panicbuffs them, and they suddenly dominate (HI BARD!) :D


As to her actual strength, I have no idea.

Shes a great duelist, who can deal very well with tanks and mobile targets. If she doesn't want to be disengaged, she won't be, she can chase almost indefinitely and circumvent pretty much every escape mechanism. As such, she is a natural choice for toplane.

Her weakness is being singled out in teamfights, as she is no tank, and pretty much useless up until the moment she dives in. She can not peel back in a fight, nor kite a more powerful enemy.

So in short, shes exactly what the toplane meta needs currently to shake off the "hurr durr me build tank items only" - meta of boredom.

Ralanr1 votes

She's not been out long enough for people to have a comfortable idea fighting her. You want as little risk to your victory as possible in ranked and a new champion is a wild card on the first day.

I'm not that big of a gambler.

Martensitic1 votes

You want as little risk to your victory as possible in ranked

I know, but how does this explain new champions getting permabanned in NORMAL DRAFT?

Ralanr1 votes

People really shouldn't ban new champions in normals. But sadly you can't stop that.

Martensitic1 votes

Same mindset dude .D

Shuyin1782 votes

Players need to stop being pussies and fight with/against new champions/reworks for a few days before they start banning them.

Like seriously, grow a pair and learn about them so you can get use to playing with them in the game.

Ralanr4 votes

In normals that's fine. Ranked is another story.

Shuyin1783 votes

I'd be fine if new champions/reworks got ban immunity in non-ranked games (blind, draft, etc) so it forces people to play with/against them. If they don't then it gives them a reason to actually play ranked.

Ralanr4 votes

Disabled for ranked, immune to bans in norms.

Why can't Riot do this? Is first time plat games really the only way they get data?

Shuyin1783 votes

They delayed her 1 week because they were starting the ranked season, so the "disabled for ranked" thing already happened. :P

Jon11741 votes

wtf,no now is the time where you kick the shit out of first time Camille players

SGT Dingle Berry1 votes

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wtf,no now is the time where you kick the shit out of first time Camille players

Except when she's on my team lol. Wonder if it'll be worth the argument to target ban her away from my team ha!

Abyssphere1 votes

Go find out.

Korillo1 votes

Camille will be permabanned for the first month of ranked like every new champion in the history of league

warpenguin5551 votes

if in ranked, yes. In normals, i dont care

Lovelle1 votes

She'll definitely be seeing nerfs in the near future. I expect a high banrate in the months to come.

ThePikol1 votes

We are talking about "we need to send 4 people to stop her" OP

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