How to: Rework Mordekaiser into a strong and independent dark overlord who needs no support

SaltyToplaneGoat··3 votes·486 views

So, now that I have somewhat calmed down I started thinking about the Mordekaiser rework - and I have to admit that while it's absolutely horrible, it's not ALL bad and that can be used as a base to "rework the rework" and turn him into the true Undead Overlord he is supposed to be.

First of all: Dragon stealing is awesome, the move towards AD/tank is good too. I mean, he's a giant armor dude with a massive mace. Doesn't really look magical to me. And Q change is also something that can be turned into an awesome spell. Just turn it into something that is not an empowered basic attack.

But: Dragon stealing is a bit too situational as a gimmick to work properly, his lack of speed and cc make it hard for him to compete and, most of all, HE IS NOT A DUO LANE CHAMPION. Even forcing him into that role goes completly against his aehstetic as a Tank/Pusher/"Come close and I'm gonna fuck you up" - champion. Also, everything that works together with EXP gain sucks, so get rid of it.

Also, with the change to AD/Tank we might open up the possibility to jungle morde... how I come to think that? Let's just keep that in mind for the changes I propose:

The Passive: Iron Man can stay his shield he gets from damaging enemies. But right now it lacks something... it doesn't really give the enemy a reason to attempt to break through the shield in any way. You have a motivation to break down sion's shield, because it explodes. You want to get rid of Morgana's so your cc works, you want to shred Janna's to turn of the AD bonus. Morde on the other hand? He becomes a tank with no way to draw attention to his beefyness. And a tank with no power to draw focus on himself is kind of... well, useless.

Also, let's keep Morde's core theme as a dark paladin in mind: he draws energy from the suffering of others. What if he was getting stronger the more shield power he has? Like, more movement speed, attack and ability damage, and so on. THAT would give others a reason go break his shield down.

So, we got the passive down, now to the Q. This is basicially your "punch them with your weapon"-skill. Right now it's made so you have to get three attacks off. And that's lame. How about THIS instead: Mordekaiser swings his mace, dealing damage in a crescent are in front of him. If this ability hits a champion it can be recast: Hitting an enemy the second time slows them and deals slightly more damage.

After having hit an enemy two times your Q changes to a massive AoE groundslam (look at sion's Q but faster) that first damages the target directly hit and then echoes out in a circle around it.

This skill rewards you for playing offensive while also sticking to the enemy - while also having some counterplay build in that the strongest version of the spell is only aviable after hitting an enemy two times with it.

OK, that sounds good so far, let's proceed to his W: First of all, make it able to self-cast. Let the damage be lower, who cares, just let it work when you are working solo. Another possibility would be to cast this on an enemy: they recieve minor damage themselves, but hurt their allies around them. While this is active the usual magnet-trick works: Mordekaiser gets movement speed towards the target and the target gets speed towards morde (if they are stupid enough to battle the dark lord of awesomeness).

His E is barely changed and can stay as it is I guess... (not gonna deal with scalings here, but they shoudl change it to AD I guess...)

And now, his ult: the use on enemy champions should stay as it is, but I am in from expanding the dragon passive TO ALL MINIONS AND JUNGLE MONSTERS SLAIN BY ABILITIES.

Every minion you kill with an ability (not basic attacks) will spawn a short lived ghost minion that pushed down the lane. Of course the spirits of minions are weak, so they cannot endure the awesomeness Mordekaiser is radiating and they fade after a short time. Also they are too stupid to follow orders, they just keep pushing.

THIS is how you feel like an dark overlord: kill the minions of your enemies and turn them into your own undead army of ghosts!

I am not sure, but this can surely apply to jungle monsters too: enslave the gromp and take him with you to gank botlane. Overrun midlane with chicken ghosts! That would be a unique way of jungling and ganking, because due to the lack of hard cc Morde doesn't gank to kill you. He ganks to push your turret and THEN kills you while keeping your teammates off with an army of undead minions and jungle monsters.

Well, that's pretty much all there is. I think the ultimate change and the one to the W are the most imporant ones to preserve his theme and not turn him into a walking joke. I have no problem with Morde not being bound to toplane, but better send him jungle before FORCING him to be dependant on the support. Dark Lords don't need no supports!

16 Comments

Voidgolem3 votes

"HE IS NOT A DUO LANE CHAMPION"

He is now.

why is this so hard for people :|

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Wow, you were really quick at reading all this. I posed this not even 30 second ago.

His theme simply doesn't allow it. he's the big evil dark overlord that will come with his hordes of undead to destroy the world. That's not someone up for "jolly botlane cooperation" - not that he would be able to do anything against a ranged adc lane. A champ like Garen would work with this as a tank similiar to leona in the theme (protector-theme), but not Morde.

Voidgolem2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2A1BhBNy,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-08-05T19:34:35.131+0000)

Wow, you were really quick at reading all this. I posed this not even 30 second ago.

His theme simply doesn't allow it. he's the big evil dark overlord that will come with his hordes of undead to destroy the world. That's not someone up for "jolly botlane cooperation" - not that he would be able to do anything against a ranged adc lane. A champ like Garen would work with this as a tank similiar to leona in the theme (protector-theme), but not Morde.

what else is a lane buddy if not a minion to exploit.

and you need beef if you're going to wade into the enemy team to mess some scrubs up with your mace.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Too bad you don't exploit them. You are FORCED to cooperate. That's not strong and exploiting, that being a weakling who cannot get shit done alone.

Morde brings all the beef alone. That's why he has his shield. He doesn't actually need to bring it. He IS the beef.

Voidgolem2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2A1BhBNy,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-05T19:42:49.225+0000)

Too bad you don't exploit them. You are FORCED to cooperate. That's not strong and exploiting, that being a weakling who cannot get shit done alone.

Morde brings all the beef alone. That's why he has his shield. He doesn't actually need to bring it. He IS the beef.

You can get shit done alone aside from one spell which helps your minion run at you and vice-versa.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Uhm... no. You are a melee with zero moblity and zero cc. You get NOTHING done. Oh wow I can give a HIGHLY SITUATIONAL speed buff that barely helps anything in combat? And you want to paly THAT on botlane? heh, good luck. Maybe if you nerf all ranged adcs into oblivion, then maybe, MAYBE he had a chance to compete.

Also: Mordekaiser does not care for the living. Why should he bother with some annoying teammate? Just let him murder some minions get get his private undead army like I wrote in the thread. THEN you get the theme right. Otherwise... well, nope.

Also, I'm not sure if you are in a position to talk here. Lolking says you have played ONE Mordekaiser ranked in your entire life and that was in season one ^^

Voidgolem2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2A1BhBNy,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-05T19:51:32.827+0000)

Uhm... no. You are a melee with zero moblity and zero cc. You get NOTHING done. Oh wow I can give a HIGHLY SITUATIONAL speed buff that barely helps anything in combat? And you want to paly THAT on botlane? heh, good luck. Maybe if you nerf all ranged adcs into obvlivion, then maybe, MAYBE he had a chance to compete.

Also: Mordekaiser does not care for the living. Why should he bother with soem annoying teammate? Just let him murder some minions get get his private undead army like I wrote in the thread. THEN you get the theme right. Otherwise... well, nope.

Also, I'm not sure if you are in a position to talk here. Lolking says you have played ONE Mordekaiser ranked in your entire life and that was in season one ^^

lolking also says that you feed uncontrollably on literally every champion you play.

Remind me why we should take your suggestions seriously as opposed to "I'm bad please buff".

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Not my fault the placement matches fucked me over, but I got my platium frame which is nice.

You are trying to talk about a champion you have never played before with no idea about the aesthetics, zero understanding for the lore and your only argument is "Let's just roll with it because I don't play that champ anyways?"

Please, stop replying to this thread, you are not contributing and any way and have absolutely no idea what you are even talking about.

Voidgolem2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2A1BhBNy,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-05T19:55:49.512+0000)

Not my fault the placement matches fucked me over, but I got my platium frame which is nice.

You are trying to talk about a champion you have never played before with no idea about the aesthetics, zero understanding for the lore and your only argument is "Let's just roll with it because I don't play that champ anyways?"

Please, stop replying to this thread, you are not contributing and any way and have absolutely no idea what you are even talking about.

You do realize there are queues besides ranked, right?

you also realize that your incompetence is not to be used as a reasoning for changing something you have no hand's on experience with based purely on the fact that you dislike how his changes are worded on the forums, right?

Guess not.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

So... we've got ARAM and the other non-serious-gamemodes. Nah, that doesn't really count. We have ranked for a reason, and this is how people's skill with champ and the game are measured. Everything besides ranked is a neat bonus, but sorry, these don't really matter ^^

Voidgolem2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2A1BhBNy,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-05T20:04:35.323+0000)

So... we've got ARAM and the other non-serious-gamemodes. Nah, that doesn't really count. We have ranked for a reason, and this is how people's skill with champ and the game are measured. Everything besides ranked is a neat bonus, but sorry, these don't really matter ^^

I forgot having ~30 games with morde as of S4 means you're qualified to comment on changes you haven't played with.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Pics or it didn't happen ^^

I can also say that I have a MILLION games on Zed. I can talk a lot when the day is long. And so can you from what I'm seeing here. Just fuck off and leave my thread, you have no idea what you are talking about, this topic does not even concern you and all you do is sprouting unqualified nonsense.

But thank you for keeping my thread bumped. At least you are useful for SOMETHING.

Voidgolem2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2A1BhBNy,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-05T20:12:31.065+0000)

Pics or it didn't happen ^^

I can also say that I have a MILLION games on Zed. I can talk a lot when the day is long. And so can you from what I'm seeing here. Just fuck off and leave my thread, you have no idea what you are talking about, this topic does not even concern you and all you do is sprouting unqualified nonsense.

But thank you for keeping my thread bumped. At least you are useful for SOMETHING.

I have plenty of idea what I'm talking about, but hey, you're the one throwing a hissy fit that I'm not throwing up my hands and going "MORDE IS RUINED FOREVER BECAUSE I SAID SO PLEASE BUFF HIM SO I SUCK LESS".

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

I am impressed that you keep posting and posting although all you do is giving my thread more visibility ^^

Also, you have still not commented to ANY changes I have proposed in the thread. Why are you even here? I mean, you are one usefull bumping token, but either contribute to the discussion or fuck off. Or maybe post a little more, I'm happy if the thread gets more bumps ^^

Koldheartedjsp2 votes

i hope certainlyT gets fired and nobody will hire him

pls make it happen rito

but we know you won't cus he makes "LCS BIG PLAIS" champs

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

The problem is that while his champions are fun to play they are completly horrible to play against. He's one creative guy when it comes to mechanics, but he doesn't seem to have any concept on how to put that stuff together so it actually works out.

The focus on Esports is a problem tho. No one wanted or needed Lee or Zed nerfs. Yet here we got them, JUST in time for worlds.

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