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How is diana healthy

Jefftiffy··2 votes·954 views

Seriously.

All she has to do is spam Q at you post 6 and if she hits it you die. Her ult needs an actual CD if it is going to continue to keep its infinite reset mechanic that is essentially on a 10s CD.

Her burst time is faster than Rengar's the second the Q hits you. It's literally Q R E W R button mash and there is no way to stop it and if she has passive up then it does even more. If you prevent R the mark isn't used and her ult doesn't go on CD. She even blows bruisers up. Like really.

I understand she doesn't have an escape, but how is she even allowed to be viable at all at the state she is in right now. It's worse than LB because you can't even dodge anything if she hits a single ability that she is able to spam. It's you fighting a calculator of whether or not you can live and to top it off even if you do, you probably aren't going to escape because her rotation has a pretty low CD.

At least with Veigar you can cleanse his stun or just not get hit by it and dodge everything. And even if he does kill you he can't fucking chain 2+ kills unless the enemy team fucks up pretty hard. Hell I would rather play against a Zed with 1 kill on me than a Diana with 1 kill on me because at the very least I can outplay that.

20 Comments

Defended8 votes

''Her burst time is faster than rengars''

No... No its fucking not

The diana you fought was 19-7 while you were 4-9

Of course shes going to fucking burst you.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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''Her burst time is faster than rengars''

No... No its fucking not

It is. Have you ever seen a Diana burst the ADC. Obviously not. Her damage once she gets any kind of gold is enough to pop a bruiser before they can even press an ability.

Ralanr7 votes

First you say ADC, then you bring up popping a bruiser?

Explain your examples before switching them.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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First you say ADC, then you bring up popping a bruiser?

Explain your examples before switching them.

Because if a bruiser pops in an instant. Think about what happens to an ADC. If a bruiser can barely live or dies building 2-3 defensive items. What does that say about an ADC? Is there any way for them to live. No. None whatsoever unless you have a Zilean, GA, and more to keep yourself alive for when she ults you again when you get back up.

The point is killing the ADC does not consume her ult because she only needs 1 rotation to kill the ADC. She then is free to blow up at least 1 more person.

Ralanr6 votes

If they ever rework divers then she may get looked at.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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If they ever rework divers then she may get looked at.

She isn't a diver. She is an Assassin. Just like Akali. You can't call someone that literally goes in blows someone up the blows up another person a diver and repeats it. A diver goes in and CCs, draws aggro, and is meant to not be a glass cannon. The fact that you can dive into a team and take someone out faster than they can even press the counter play to it and repeat it is kind of BS.

WW is a diver. Panth is a diver. Wu is a diver. Diana does not even come close to that.

Ralanr4 votes

You see, assassins have escapes. Diana doesn't.

She's a fighter/Mage diver.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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You see, assassins have escapes. Diana doesn't.

She's a fighter/Mage diver.

I do not call someone with the burst to kill a bruiser with 0 set up a mage. A mage casts spells that are generally skill shots and delayed in order to do AoE damage and CC for the most part. Diana's only AoE is her Q. Nothing in her kit screams mage to me. Syndra has huge single target burst and she screams mage more than assassin to me because her kit requires set up. LB is an assassin because she needs little to no set up to blow someone up and has the mobility to do it.

Assassins are highly mobile high damage characters that tend to have very little CC and have the highest burst in the game. Giving them mage like properties is how you get champs like Akali, Diana, and Katarina. But at the very least Akali and Katarina have counterplay.

Ralanr3 votes

Ok. One, she is a primary fighter. Two she is a secondary mage. Three, her Q, W, and E are all AoE abilities.

She's not very magey because she's more of a fighter. The reason why she is getting mixed with assassins is because the fighter class is really bad at defining itself. Look at juggernauts, people keep calling them fucking tanks.

Ereldra5 votes

Actually, the Question whether Diana is an Assasin or not was asked and answered in the Dev-Corner. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/Tnfw1WW6-next-class-update-the-assassins?comment=008a0001

Whether you agree to that or not is up to you, but since you wont be able to change it, I'm afraid you will have to just accept it for now.^^

Concerning your question wether shes "healthy or not": As in the post also mentioned, right now shes probably not. Thats why she will most likely get some bigger changes in the Diver-Update. But balancewise shes not really a problem right now. Shes one of those snowball-Champs; get some early kills and you can completely take over the game, however if you fall behind you will be next to useless. Unfun to play against, if she snowballs, but shes not so strong, that this is going to happen too often.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Actually, the Question whether Diana is an Assasin or not was asked and answered in the Dev-Corner. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/Tnfw1WW6-next-class-update-the-assassins?comment=008a0001

Whether you agree to that or not is up to you, but since you wont be able to change it, I'm afraid you will have to just accept it for now.^^

Concerning your question wether shes "healthy or not": As in the post also mentioned, right now shes probably not. Thats why she will most likely get some bigger changes in the Diver-Update. But balancewise shes not really a problem right now. Shes one of those snowball-Champs; get some early kills and you can completely take over the game, however if you fall behind you will be next to useless. Unfun to play against, if she snowballs, but shes not so strong, that this is going to happen too often.

She is intended to be a diver but she isn't. Therefore she isn't an assassin she is a diver. That's really shitty logic. IDC what you say she is supposed to be or what she is. The way she has always been played is an assassin. Don't sit here and tell me I'm wrong. And If you want to fix it then fix her kit because it is an assassin's kit. Not a fighter. Not a diver. Not a mage. Don't push it off to the diver rework because "she wasn't meant to be an assassin". I'm sorry but that's what she is so deal with it.

Sometimes I wish certain people weren't born because obviously common sense was never given to them. You can't call something one thing and say it's that because that is how it is supposed to work, but it really doesn't work. If you make something meant to explode and it just counts down and call it a bomb, that is a timer. IDC what you say it was meant to be, that is what it is.

Ereldra2 votes

I'm not telling you anything. Riot themselves is telling you, that they consider her a Diver and not an Assasin, and whether you agree with it or not, unless they change their mind about it, they will continue considering her as a Diver and therefore not change her in the Assasin-Update but in the Diver-Update.^^ You can argue against it as much as you want, but I kinda doubt, that its going to change anything-^^

Jefftiffy1 votes

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I'm not telling you anything. Riot themselves is telling you, that they consider her a Diver and not an Assasin, and whether you agree with it or not, unless they change their mind about it, they will continue considering her as a Diver and therefore not change her in the Assasin-Update but in the Diver-Update.^^ You can argue against it as much as you want, but I kinda doubt, that its going to change anything-^^

I wasn't refering to you. I'm refering to the idiots on the balance team that have no clue how to balance this game anymore and have obviously gone insane since the end of season 4.

Ralanr3 votes

Remember that common sense birth argument? Does it apply to you also?

Madra2 votes

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I wasn't refering to you. I'm refering to the idiots on the balance team that have no clue how to balance this game anymore and have obviously gone insane since the end of season 4.

If you think Diana's play pattern is more like LeBlanc or Zed over say.. Xin Zhao... then I think you are lacking the common sense that you accuse the Riot balance team of lacking. Just because Diana kills you faster more like a LeBlanc than a Xin Zhao doesn't mean she doesn't share far more playstyle similiarities with the Xin Zhao.

bleufromage3 votes

she is worthless before 6 which is abusable and then after 6 she has to snowball or shes completely useless. Even Zirene stated that Diana has to be in the hands of a really good Diana player to be executed properly. Its the exact same reason any high burst champ is allowed in the game; because you have to be good at them to get the most you can from them. Now ill admit Diana isn't the hardest champ but to be really good at her takes a lot of practice.

SaltyKracka1 votes

She's not.

But she's decently balanced, so Riot's not got her as a priority.

Madra1 votes

She only seems balanced because her play pattern is one dimensional so you can pick and play around her. If the enemy gets to last pick her into the right opponents, she'll get an early lead feeding off of the weakest link, then make every other part of the map hell afterwards.

SithesisLord1 votes

Her Q is really easy to dodge. Plus, unless the Diana player is a god at hitting the R-Q combo, yeah, her burst isn´t even close to being faster than Rengar's, but less capable of taking down bruisers fast enough.

Madra1 votes

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Her Q is really easy to dodge. Plus, unless the Diana player is a god at hitting the R-Q combo, yeah, her burst isn´t even close to being faster than Rengar's, but less capable of taking down bruisers fast enough.

If she hits you with chilling smite and you are a champion without a dash or escape, you are going to have issues dodging it without burning your flash. Unless you play against really bad Diana's.

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