Are those Ahri and Karma changes some kind of a joke?

HP Crookshanks··5 votes·1,121 views

Both champions doesn't have passive abilites. Karma's passive is a part of her ult so she doesn't have a real passive. Ahri's passive is just plain terrible and have no impact in the game. She easily has the worst passive out of all champions.

Both champion's W abilities are terrible. Karma is a mage and that ability doesn't suit her. Her W has a really low range and why does the heal scale with her health instead of her AP? Ahri's W does laughable damage and like Karma's W it has low range. At least Karma's W has some utility unlike Ahri's which is plain useless ability.

Karma has decent early game but her late game is really weak, even worse than Ahri. So why her early game is getting buffed instead her late game? She needs a real passive and/or needs changes to her W. At least she can get 5% more AP ratio to her Q so she can one shot the ranged minions without the help of Luden's.

Ahri has the worst carry potential out of all mid lane champions. She is the meaning of 'carry me' champion. Ahri is a hybrid burst mage/assassin but she doesn't have the damage nor mobility to do her job.

Like Karma her late game is really weak because of her terrible AP ratios and she is useless when she burns her ult because she is also the most ult-reliant champion in the game. Her early game and laning phase is also weak now because she lost her ms boost and she is no longer safe. So her mid game is the only decent thing about her because of her roaming potential.

At late game a single MR item almost nullifies her damage and her laughable true damage ( 140 + 35% AP at max level) is not enough to save her and her AP ratios are really bad. So she is just a charm bot at late game. Just try to land your E and hope your team carry the game for you. Her charm is the reason why she still has a decent win rate despite being a really weak champion by herself. So why her charm (her stongest ability) is getting buffed instead of her terrible passive and W?

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2Charmnot2Charm4 votes

Ahri will be receiving more changes early this week's pbe cycle, all you saw friday was just a preview.

That buff to charm's duration at level 1 is pretty good though, makes it so we don't have to put more points into it to ensure that a Orb of deception lands after charming someone. It's not enough but it's something that will do good for her.

HP Crookshanks2 votes

I hope so.

I agree charm duration is good but I don't think that's what she needs. She needs to have snowball potential when she's fed like the other mid laners. The enemy shouldn't say "Oh, that's just Ahri, no need to care about her." when Ahri is fed.

TouchFluffyTail1 votes

Rickless is leaving this week, I do hope he will be giving us a "charming" parting gift. BADUM TSSSS... I could not resist. [sg-ahri-2]

Skycrowx1 votes

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I hope so.

I agree charm duration is good but I don't think that's what she needs. She needs to have snowball potential when she's fed like the other mid laners. The enemy shouldn't say "Oh, that's just Ahri, no need to care about her." when Ahri is fed.

Hey man, i'm a 2.5 million Ahri otp d2 peak elo. I do think that Ahri isn't that garbage when it comes to raw power that she can bring, The main issue is like you said, she is extremely ult reliant, and the major problem is, that the game played right now is a extreme aggressive playstyle by all players, and Ahri simply can not keep up. It's not that her dmg straight up sucks, it's just that she can do 1-2 jobs and that's it. In most games however it isn't enough. Sometimes players have just a very large skillgap between each other in one game, this starts to get even more extreme when one side is clearly winning and the other side is loosing. The loosing side mostly of the time starts to get frustrated and keeps doing mistakes after mistakes after mistakes. And Ahri unlike Akali or katarina, has no resets on her Ultimate or so whatsoever, that's immo why she starts to fail to carry the large gap between the 10Players even when she turns out to be fed. Ofcourse not every game ends like that, but alot of the games when ahri is in a carryposition will/can end like that. This usually also leads to extreme frustration under Ahri Players itself. (myself included)

Back to topic. I believe that the Charm buff is much better than the Damage buff. Right now after the manaflowband changes, alot of mages are suffering from mana issues. Ahri is one of the extreme champs in that regard. problem is that Charm isn't a easy to land skillshot, except you set it up by your dashes, but you can't because then you really won't have the all in potential anymore. So you have to go for risky charms and do so. However right now the Charm is way to mana hungry, so reducing that by 15 is a good step forward, also increasing it's cc duration is good aswell. 40% extra duration till lategame starts can really help her turn some games around, it also will help her to kite a bit easier in teamfights and be save from threats.

Other than that, sadly ahri will never be a really good Solo carry Champion because of the Points i stated above, except the game duration in itself starts to get longer again, which indirectly gives her more Ult usage, or she has a higher winrate around 51-52%. But Ahri also isn't the only mage that suffers from Solo carrying, i have never seen a Syndra "solo carry" a entire game, because just like Ahri she needs her Ultimate, and usually both champs are more or less worthless, without their ults off cooldown.

In the end since my last few weeks were extremely frustrated i hope that this buff gives us some hope back for better games and a bit less hard worked ones

IxtaliKing4 votes

Rickless said on twitter that they're planning some significant changes to Karma's W in her update, so they don't want to touch it right now.

DuskDaUmbreon3 votes

Ahri's passive is just plain terrible and have no impact in the game. She easily has the worst passive out of all champions.

Uhm...Pretty sure if you think her passive has no impact, you've never actually tried to kite with her...ever.

Her passive isn't the best, sure, but it's not that bad. Skarner has a bad passive. Ahri's is pretty fine.

Fízz v22 votes

imo the only joke is ahri getting buffed because she hasnt been busted for a while lel

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