New jungle changes are overbuffing tank junglers

thinking man·Mar 4, 2015·1 votes·307 views

Already combined with the fact that Sejuani is borderline OP right now and Naut is getting a ton of buffs, these changes are going to make quite a few tanks over the line. You guys are buffing every single aspect of tank junglers, their itemization, their damage, and their clear speeds. It is as if you guys want the game to be Sej/Naut. I understand that you guys want diversity, but you should at least undo the Gromp buff since it'll help mitigate some of the damage to balance that these jungle changes will bring.

Also before anybody brings up Cho/Zac/Voli, Zac/Voli aren't quite being buffed hard enough and Cho is a better lane champ.

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Very Hard EngageMar 4, 20152 votes

you're missing the point here, at the moment any champion that isn't named fizz, vi, lee, jarvan, or sometimes reksai, is completley behind and all around weaker than the above mentioned champions.

they need buffs, if you played jungle you would need to learn that they have the best pre item clear times, have high quality ganks with gapclosers and knockups (expect fizz, who brings closers and crazy damage instead of cc).

these junglers are just leagues ahead in what they can do for a team, any other jungler right now is "why bother" XXX does it better.

thinking manMar 4, 20151 votes

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you're missing the point here, at the moment any champion that isn't named fizz, vi, lee, jarvan, or sometimes reksai, is completley behind and all around weaker than the above mentioned champions.

they need buffs, if you played jungle you would need to learn that they have the best pre item clear times, have high quality ganks with gapclosers and knockups (expect fizz, who brings closers and crazy damage instead of cc).

these junglers are just leagues ahead in what they can do for a team, any other jungler right now is "why bother" XXX does it better.

I think you meant to say Rek'Sai and sometimes Lee since Rek'Sai is more prevalent than Lee right now but I digress.

They do need buffs, I'm not denying that, all of the tanks aside from Sej and Nunu are in a rather shitty spot, but they are overbuffing the entire jungle. They need to hold back on the Gromp buff at the very least since tanks don't need their entire kits buffed and their itemization buffed.

Poptart EvelynnMar 4, 20151 votes

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I think you meant to say Rek'Sai and sometimes Lee since Rek'Sai is more prevalent than Lee right now but I digress.

They do need buffs, I'm not denying that, all of the tanks aside from Sej and Nunu are in a rather shitty spot, but they are overbuffing the entire jungle. They need to hold back on the Gromp buff at the very least since tanks don't need their entire kits buffed and their itemization buffed.

Sej has a lot of issues too atm what are you talking about.

thinking manMar 4, 20151 votes

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Sej has a lot of issues too atm what are you talking about.

What issues?

Have you seen her winrate?

She's like a tankier, albeit moderately lower damage version of Amumu atm

Poptart EvelynnMar 4, 20151 votes

So tanks getting a good jungle item is overbuffing? I don't understand this frekin community.

EVERYBODY IS GETTING BUFFED and one CLASS is getting a new item to help them clear. One of the main issues with jungle atm is xp/gold choke when enemy has a lead. This is being solved for everyone. The jungle item only helps one class and it doesn't over buff them.

thinking manMar 4, 20151 votes

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So tanks getting a good jungle item is overbuffing? I don't understand this frekin community.

EVERYBODY IS GETTING BUFFED and one CLASS is getting a new item to help them clear. One of the main issues with jungle atm is xp/gold choke when enemy has a lead. This is being solved for everyone. The jungle item only helps one class and it doesn't over buff them.

It's the Gromp buff as well.

It's the kit buffs as well.

They are buffing every single part that they can possibly buff, they at least need to revert the Gromp buff. Everything else is pretty okay. Cinderhulk can be the strongest tank item in the game but the Gromp buff is going to make it ridiculous for dueling on tanks.

SmokingPuffinMar 4, 20151 votes

the fact that Sejuani is borderline OP right now

There's no serious argument for taking Sejuani in a competitive game today. Maybe there will be with Cinderhulk in the game -- it's a very good item for her, and she's reasonably close to competitive viability. However, it's a long way from viable to borderline OP.

In any case, I would hate to see Riot get gunshy on tank buffs because one champion becomes too good. The class has issues. If Sejuani turns out to be OP, nerf her.

I understand that you guys want diversity, but you should at least undo the Gromp buff since it'll help mitigate some of the damage to balance that these jungle changes will bring.

I wouldn't freak out about Gromp. We've seen bruisers do well in a tank item meta in the past. In fact, this thing where jungle bruisers buy a lot of damage items is pretty weird, historically speaking -- we've had more metas where Lee goes tanky than where Lee builds a bunch of damage. Even really squishy stuff like Evelynn has been strong in tanky metas before.