his champion.gg stats are a complete fucking joke, playing him makes me feel more useless than a minion, dies to anything, ridiculously unreliable cc, laughable damage, the list goes on
pick this and you're in for a free loss
LadyRenly4 voteslaughable...damage...?!?
Sure, it's not reliable damage all the time, and his CC isn't reliable, but his damage definitely isn't lacking.
A Dizzy Lulu2 voteslaughable...damage...?!?
Sure, it's not reliable damage all the time, and his CC isn't reliable, but his damage definitely isn't lacking.
It's pretty laughable in the sense that without your CC landing (aka it never well) then you will contribute little to nothing.
if you land a stun then they will just qss it or have hexdrinker built and your burst does nothing lol
if it's an AP champ then chances are you lost lane either way and won't have enough damage to kill anyways
SamSchoolsU1 votes[{quoted}](name=A Dizzy Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1oF4eV76,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-03-24T17:29:46.567+0000)
It's pretty laughable in the sense that without your CC landing (aka it never well) then you will contribute little to nothing.
if you land a stun then they will just qss it or have hexdrinker built and your burst does nothing lol
if it's an AP champ then chances are you lost lane either way and won't have enough damage to kill anyways
If I'm reading between the lines correctly here, you're just not good at 
Veigar and because of this think that he is terrible, when in fact it's how you're playing him that's ineffective.
DrCyanide1 votesCould also be a reference to this post: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/jNEQX3qr-maw-of-mathmortius
SirPacifista2 votesNot defending the OP, but two things:
you can look the second point up yourself, then try defending you point.
Hella Kaiser1 votes2500 dmg in 0,01 s... and i had 1900 hp... "LAUGHABLE DAMAGE"
Curling Veigar4 votesagreed
Simpumba3 votesA good stun can catch the whole enemy team, his damage is laughable because of how fast the enemies disappear, if you feel useless you're probably a bad veigar.
Ofc he dies fast, his ult LITERALLY can one shot a mage lategame, and full build veig's q does about 700-900dmg and it's a 3sec cd. HERP DERP?
A Dizzy Lulu1 votesA good stun can catch the whole enemy team, his damage is laughable because of how fast the enemies disappear, if you feel useless you're probably a bad veigar.
Ofc he dies fast, his ult LITERALLY can one shot a mage lategame, and full build veig's q does about 700-900dmg and it's a 3sec cd. HERP DERP?
All of these hypothetical situations, how often does that actually happen? How often do games get to where Veigar has full build?
Simpumba3 votes[{quoted}](name=A Dizzy Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1oF4eV76,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-03-24T17:32:29.589+0000)
All of these hypothetical situations, how often does that actually happen? How often do games get to where Veigar has full build?
If you're not a shit veigar?
SirPacifista2 votesxD funny hearing that from a main zed, no offense but i highly doubt that you have experience playing veigar since his delayed stun.
his ult LITERALLY can one shot a mage lategamehis ult LITERALLY can one shot a mage lategame
well... if that would happen than the enemy mage is shitty... i mean MR exist for a reason, thats why many ap champions buy 
against him (not all one or two).
Slythion2 votes[{quoted}](name=A Dizzy Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1oF4eV76,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-03-24T17:32:29.589+0000)
All of these hypothetical situations, how often does that actually happen? How often do games get to where Veigar has full build?
Whenever I play Veigar I have success with him. When I lose it's certainly not because I don't do damage lol, doing tons of dmg is incredibly easy with Veigar. If you think Veigar's stun is bad and his damage is crap then that problem is on you, definitely not the champ
SirPacifista3 votesWhenever I play Veigar I have success with him.
well, i dominate with Veigar too, but that means nothing in the greater view. I dont understand why people like you think that they are the prime example of a league player and if they win with a champion that champion MUST be good.
You are Bronze, i dont know why you are bragging about your Veigar plays... against good enemys you would be totally destroyed, without a doubt.
If you think Veigar's stun is bad and his damage is crap then that problem is on you, definitely not the champ
well... no... thats not how it works... do you even have the slightest idea how champions differ and work?
Let me phrase it like this... Do oyu know LCS player who play Veigar? Do you know his winrate? or how the meta shifted? You have definitly no clue of these thing.... because if you had then you would not have said such a retarded thing.
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
Slythion2 votesLol, your comment was completely unwarrented. All I did was disagree with you and you come at me with this super aggressive, insult-filled response without any statistics/evidence? Really now? Fine then, let me explain myself because your reading comprehension appears to be out of order.
I said I have success with Veigar. In no way, shape, or form did say he was a good/viable champion for this meta. The only thing that sentence meant was that your points about Veigar being useless were straight up wrong.
You insult my rank from over a year ago where I played a total of maybe 15 games. Congrats man, you can't even background check properly. The fact that you even bring rank in as a reason to disprove me instead of real facts of evidence proves that you lack a real argument. P.S.- I play with occasional Gold/Plats/Diamonds although the majority of my teammates are high silvers now if you really feel the need to insult a players skill instead of logic
The reason Veigar is struggling is because of the anti-mage meta. Assassins dish out damage faster than Veigar, and with the popularity in ad meta makes it difficult for Veigar to get fed off his laner after his 1st back. His relatively short range forces Veigar into risky positions where he can be picked off in teamfights and although his damage is reliable and definitely has a magnitude, he lacks the means to reliably dish it out without dying afterwards.
Overall:
Maybe next time you shouldn't get all pissy and aim to have a REAL conversation instead of coming out in a burst of rage-filled irrelevant insults that aren't even true.
ALSO: Do YOU play in the LCS? Idk if you noticed, but the LCS is a completely different game than what the majority of Summoners play. While it's a good cornerstone to base how a champion is doing, to use it in a way that means you expect players to play like LCS players is ignorant and stupid. Don't call my post retarded after using a purely insult-filled post to try to discredit me.
Next time bring reason and facts instead like a decent human being instead of being an ass
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Oh, and how dare you insult my rank from over a year ago with only 15 games when you aren't even ranked. Wtf kind of logic is that
SirPacifista2 votesLooks like someone is salty because i mentioned his rank in his last season xD*[zombie-nunu-tears]*
Jeah jeah you know exactly what you are talking about...
your 1. Point does not make sense, because you answered "A Dizzy Lulu" not me... you genius... But again, what does your point that you won a game with him say except that you are behaving like a kid?
Your 2. Point
I play with occasional Gold/Plats/Diamonds
well again, are oyu trying to brag with something like that? thats just shows that you are salty...
your 3. Point missing,
your 4. Point is completly wrong, not an opinion its a fact... ever tried playing against people out of bronze? The stun is the reason that he was abdoned by the LCS and the higher elos, because no matter how good you are, you cant land it against an enemy who is good and not stunned beforehand. You definitly never played Veigar, or are good with him to not know this.
your 5. Point never said he does not deal damage... never even mentioned this point... i mean he is a burst champions, if he must deal damage...
Ohh by the way, if you play ranked with your current account, why are you pissed if someone even mentioned it? YOU wanted to compare yourself with others, and if you are bad at it, then either change it or dont complain is people mention it...
Also again... it looks like oyu have absolutly no idea what Veigar is right now, yes the meta is strongly against him, but he is still at a bad point, and its funny that you are incapable of seeing that. But then again, at bronze and silver he is probably a very reliable, so that explains why you think that [zombie-brand-mindblown]
[slayer-jinx-catface]
Slythion2 votesI'm pretty sure I specifically said that my first point was to show that the arguments about Veigar were invalid. In fact, my entire post was about how the points made against Veigar being bad were wrong. Once again your reading comprehension has failed.
For my second point, it was to show that I do have experience playing with decent players, and not just bronze skrublords that you were so keen to assume I was. Why you assume everything is meant to be bragging and not have logical value is beyond me...
Point 3 was supposed to be a 3.
format but it was corrected to be like that for some reason so ill just move on to point 4 (which is really point 3 with 2 parts to it)
My 4th point: Again, the delay on Veigar's stun is really not that bad. LCS abandoned Veigar for the numerous attributes that I listed later in my post (see the "Overall" part of my post). To add to that, other champions do his job more safely making him not the most viable champion.
Part 2 of my 4th point Me: "If you think Veigar's stun is bad and his damage is crap then that problem is on you, definitely not the champ"
You: "well... no... thats not how it works... do you even have the slightest idea how champions differ and work?"
Your response defended the OP for saying his damage is crap. All I said is that if the OP's Veigar isn't doing damage than it's his fault, not the champions. This is the post that literally started our conversation, and you say Veigar's damage was never mentioned?
As for my ranked stats: Don't mistake annoyance with anger man. I am annoyed that you brought irrelevant evidence, trying to pass it off to disprove my points. I thought we would've had a real debate with actual logic instead of mindless insults to try to please our egos, but then you had to go ahead and start insulting me without any reason... You wonder why I don't play ranked? Because ranked is stressful and in many ways less competitive. I find normals more fun with less toxic players and having an overall better community than ranked players. I have the impression that ranked players have an ego, thinking they are better than normal players because they have this magical thing called LP. I feel it's a stupid mindset, but if players are going to continue disregarding/insulting me based on 15ish games I played over a year ago than maybe I do have to play a few ranked games just to get rid of this stupid "flaw" that some people think I have.
My words don't change whether I'm bronze or challenger. If you were having this conversation with Faker you would most likely be agreeing with me because you allow his rank to have more meaning than his actual words, which is inherently stupid. Meanings don't change, but how you perceive them do based on how you see the messenger.
What truly perplexes me is why you have this "I'm better than you" attitude when you yourself aren't ranked. You can act like calling me bronze/silver elo effects the logic behind my words, but the bottom line is that you are no better yourself. So let me ask you, why do you not play ranked but feel the need to insult others for not playing ranked? Hypocrisy at it's finest
SirPacifista2 votesahhh too long did not read ^_^
its cute how salty you get and how you are trying to defend your previous statement:
Whenever I play Veigar I have success with him. When I lose it's certainly not because I don't do damage lol, doing tons of dmg is incredibly easy with Veigar. If you think Veigar's stun is bad and his damage is crap then that problem is on you, definitely not the champ
and then wanting to say that the first sentence was against the OP arguments... which is plain wrong since it has no meaning other than trying to brag about bronze plays....
i think its rather your reading comprehension that failed over and over, since your arguments are.... weak...
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn] [slayer-pantheon-popcorn] [slayer-jinx-catface] [slayer-jinx-wink]
Slythion1 votesOp makes comment about how terrible Veigar is and lists reasons why
I make a counter-comment about how those reasons are false and provide loose evidence from personal experience.
Not sure how you got confused from this very basic conversation. How did you get "I'm bragging about bronze plays" from me providing personal experience as a counter argument?
Once again, you assume the most illogical and non-sensible reasoning from very basic conversations, tell me again who has bad reading comprehension?
Trídent3 voteslaughable damage
....
just because he's short?
AnonymousPoro2 votesYou've never played against a good Veigar then.
Seriously though, a fed Veigar can delete squishies.
SirPacifista3 votesYou may have a point, but have you ever played in a good team with or against a Veigar? Normally he does not get fed, at higher elo he gets ganked quite often to weaken him early on and the enemy mid champion harasses him while standing behind 2 minion, which completly nullifies his q harass (and w does not harass anybody.... ever...)
He does indeed a high amount of damage, but only if the stun hits, (so his e+w+q(+r) combo), but i think the op means that the stun is very unrealiable and in this point he is right (against people who know how to play of course)
A Dizzy Lulu1 votesYou've never played against a good Veigar then.
Seriously though, a fed Veigar can delete squishies.
As can a fed... everything
Sariat12 votesSounds like someone never put in the effort to learn how to Q farm with this guy and land a stun properly. It takes a while to master this guy. Don't rage cause he's harder than you want him to be, or because you played with a noob on your team.
xdeviltwinkiex2 votesYou must be a bad veigar because he can usually delete people with his one shot ult and your stun is reliable even if you don't get the stun the enemy still can't leave if his flash is down you just need to get good.
SirPacifista4 votesIm not defending the op but :
he can usually delete people with his one shot ult
Either you never played him or oyu play in a elo where nobody knows what they are doing...
your stun is reliable even if you don't get the stun the enemy still can't leave if his flash is down you just need to get good.
What? little retarded here? in which way is a delayed stun reliable?
the enemy still can't leave if his flash is down you just need to get good.
yes, if they dont have a blink ability like
or
shield, 
and what if they are in the zoning field? They can hide behind minions and evade the W.
also they can easily fight back if they are up to it. The op has a very good point, his stun is VERY UNRELIABLE. Im still amazed that there are still people who think otherwise... maybe against you its reliable, but not against a single good player, thats why his winrate is so miserable and why he is in no ways a viable pick in lcs.
Big Lincoln1 votesget good
Twiggles1 voteslaughable damage
OP is right in this case as long as he means "laughable" like this.
The Bearded Bard1 votesThe CC and damage isn't unreliable if you're good at him.
IsoVhell1 votesNo he is not I see Veig wreck people!
A Dizzy Lulu1 votesNo he is not I see Veig wreck people!
in what elo? the one with reaction times of 10+ seconds?
Ionian1 votesI am a simple man.
I see a Lulu main, I downvote.
Athenes Lulu2 votesCan I have one too?
Ionian1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cancerous Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1oF4eV76,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2016-03-26T08:44:52.080+0000)
Can I have one too?
Sure thing, only takes a second.
Athenes Lulu2 votesyay
A Dizzy Lulu1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cancerous Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1oF4eV76,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-26T16:36:26.936+0000)
yay
yay huh? http://champion.gg/champion/Veigar
Role placement: 48/48. Veigar is the worst mid laner and probably the worst champion in the game.
2500 dmg in 0,01 s... and i had 1900 hp... "LAUGHABLE DAMAGE"
good job, you had 1k AP and 30 MR. and walked withing 650 range of veigar.
Athenes Lulu2 votesI was talking about free downvotes rofl
Trídent2 voteswow someones being overly aggressive xD
Athenes Lulu2 votesDownvotes are like free candy tbh
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesA Dizzy Lulu1 votesNever forget :)
6 months ago, before s6 :(