"The Fiora rework is disgusting!! I hate you riot!! Give me a free refund now!!" - Fiora mains
"I can't QQR instakill anymore."
"I can't QQR instakill anymore."
Maybe they are annoyed that a fluid fun assassin that they had a lot of playtime on got turned into an extremely subpar bruiser.
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Maybe they are annoyed that a fluid fun assassin that they had a lot of playtime on got turned into an extremely subpar bruiser.
"subpar" - The champ that can 4 hit a tank with only 2 damage items then give a massive aoe heal to her team. The thing is that she requires skill now.
"subpar" - The champ that can 4 hit a tank with only 2 damage items then give a massive aoe heal to her team. The thing is that she requires skill now.
Its statements like this that makes me feel like people never played her rework before they make post. Do you know how obnoxioius it is to do this? And you CANNOT 4hit any tank with 2 ad items. Even if you could, your squishy as shit, with no way of securing or CC'ing down your opponent. YES it looks like you could??? but trust me.. you really cant. Its not as easy as some make it seem, and for those who do say it is, I would love for them to explain how? cause so far, I'm having a hard enough time winning my lane, while champs like Trundle, Tryn, Vlad, can sit there and 1v1 me to death without even using a skill.
All in all, her kit looks good, but it really is subpar. You need amazing mechanics, just to play her at a normal level... how is that fun??
As someone who has played the new Fiora, I agree with most of the stuff you just said. I never get a full ult in a teamfight, in a 1v1 maybe against a person who has little cc but in a teamfight it is more suitable to use it on a squishy so you can give your team some healing.
Its statements like this that makes me feel like people never played her rework before they make post. Do you know how obnoxioius it is to do this? And you CANNOT 4hit any tank with 2 ad items. Even if you could, your squishy as shit, with no way of securing or CC'ing down your opponent. YES it looks like you could??? but trust me.. you really cant. Its not as easy as some make it seem, and for those who do say it is, I would love for them to explain how? cause so far, I'm having a hard enough time winning my lane, while champs like Trundle, Tryn, Vlad, can sit there and 1v1 me to death without even using a skill.
All in all, her kit looks good, but it really is subpar. You need amazing mechanics, just to play her at a normal level... how is that fun??
I killed the enemy Shen almost instantly (our jinx got some free hits on him) and I had:

And FYI, I'm not a fiora main, But if I was... oh boy, could I relate... Even I think her base stats, scaling, burst is trash. .. Honeslty her kit is fine, its fun to play, but shouldn't need EXTRA mechanics just to make a champion viable in comparisons to others who can just face roll you.....
Look at zed, he can do damage just fine without heavy mechanics, But if you do, that makes the champion even stronger. But fiora? Nope. Without mechanical skill, your champion is useless, and even with those mechanic, all your going to is go even in lane. I don't think any other champion has the problem fiora has. Where as her entire kit relies on you having 3x more skill then your laning openent.
If were talking about a fair match up.. Where we have 2 even, gold or higher player.. With the same skills.. One person pics Riven/Irelia/Trundle/Renekton and the other person Picks Fiora... Fiora will loose :/ just because People can outplay her just as easily as you think you could outplay them.
So, while old Fiora was certifiable garbage, and new Fiora is amazing. I agree with them. Riot changed the product they purchased, and they should have a right to a refund.
Same here, I don't want a refund, but after playing her rework, I just feel sad for the people who loved her :/
Her q needs another charge to be useful.
R needs a vastly more range and duration to be useful in a teamfight.
Assassins are supposed to kill people.
R was not a free ability. You couldn't use it in team fights because the moment you landed you would be locked down, and blasted off the map. It was an final spell used to execute, lazy dive, stick to an enemy, or damage more than one target during a skirmish. I know that's tough for most of you to hear, but it's the truth. Her R needed to be rework not because it had no counter play and was OP, but because there wasn't anything to it. It was just a pretty ability that was fun to use on unskilled players.
"Fiora had zero counter play." Wrong again. Many things could cancel her ult, and she had only one thing to her. High DPS. It's incredibly easy to build for that, and many top picks are naturally tanky with CC. She was also incapable of making a comeback. She was not even really tanky, and Fiora's who built like bruisers sacrificed her hypercarry potential.
Y'all need to get yourselves together and stop touting that bronze and low silver elo logic around these threads. Most people do agree, her base stats aren't that great, her laning phase is weak, her cooldowns are high, and she's not nearly as fluid as she once was. Her gameplay is clunky. For those of us that played her in solo queue, that's a problem. There's no reason to pick her over other bruisers right now because her AoE heal is unreliable.
I don't even know why some of you guys are so salty that a lot of people are underwhelmed by the stats of her rework. She's never going to be a high DPS feast or famine assassin that will go 30/4/5 in bronze to silver 4, but 3/5/6 everywhere else. Fioras who could pull off amazing plays at higher leagues really did deserve respect.
I honestly really like the fiore rework, I decided to pick her up when she got reworked as I didn't really enjoy the feeling of old fiora. It feels fun to play her, it feels rewarding to pull off my ult for my team and it feels good to have an elegant dance to hit her passive strikes off on the opponent, it's honestly fun and enjoyable to play her inside of just winning lane with less skill, she just feels more rewarding as a champ
TBH the splash are is the real problem. That chin yo.
TBH the splash are is the real problem. That chin yo.
That Superman Chin is the only thing strong about her lmao
You savage you, have a gold star.
Never liked to play fiora before, started to get a bit interested after the rework.
Off-topic with my post, but I do feel that if a Champion is reworked the people who bought that Champion with RP should be refunded the amount they paid for (so that way people who bought the champ on sale don't get an extra 300+ RP bonus).