Caitlyn is still an abomination and I don't understand how she can still exist in her state

Sasogwa·May 22, 2017·86 votes·5,543 views

insert rage here, too bored to develop about disgusting traps, range, natural attack speed, good early/mid/late etc.

136 Comments

MorgManBasherMay 22, 201728 votes

I ban her every single game even if I am not bot lane.

Broken.

KONO RUBICK DAMay 22, 201729 votes

no clue why you're being downvoted

cait is a legit ban in high elo, she's just strong at all stage of the game, early mid and late game, most ADC mains agree that she's imba

only cait mains find her balanced

MorgManBasherMay 22, 20174 votes

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no clue why you're being downvoted

cait is a legit ban in high elo, she's just busted strong at all stage of the game, most ADC mains agree that she's imba

only cait mains find her balanced

Most people won't consider me high ELO, but I have 2 Diamond 5 accounts, so aye Even when smurfing in low ELO I ban that champion. It just feels awful to play against regardless.

I just find her busted.

MIC CavalryMay 22, 20173 votes

When I smurf in any elo below d2 I find the Caitlyn players barely know her objectives in the early game, and just sit on even CS until first back where she can die 2v2.

Pick Lucian into her, start long sword and proceed to shit on her after cutlass back.

VallalanMay 22, 201712 votes

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no clue why you're being downvoted

cait is a legit ban in high elo, she's just busted strong at all stage of the game, most ADC mains agree that she's imba

only cait mains find her balanced

any true adc main knows that if you can't first pick her you ban her. she is an auto win in lane if she is not camped and the support matchup isnt terrible. it only gets worse the higher you go because players abuse trading stance better and better.

Hell I got her in a game recently and I remember i had 20 cs to a twitch who had literally zero because he had a level 1 leona and I'm caitlyn. he did not get to farm until the wave crashed into his tower at which point I forced a level 2 recall out of him from poking him under tower.

the champion needs more weaknesses in lane specifically. its ok that she's STRONG early. any champion that auto wins lane (assuming support matchup isnt bad and adcs are similar in skill level), however, is an issue.

Mig89May 22, 20172 votes

tbh she shits on twitch harder than anyone else imo. Ive done the same thing and I rarely play adc

VallalanMay 22, 20176 votes

Caitlyn shits on literally everyone. if she doesnt heavily out range someone she heavily out pushes them resulting in no way to beat her without a favorable support matchup.

Ashe is similar range but can't push back, Sivir can push back, but shorter range, Ezreal has safety and range, but will be shoved in all day, etc.

Mig89May 22, 20174 votes

At my ELO she really just shits on the immobile shorter ranged ADCs. Ashe seems to do okay against her as well as lucian. I agree it comes down to the support matchup but as a support main, I feel like shes not the biggest problem in the world. Her traps are on a long cooldown and if she places them all it isnt too tough to push her back long enough to pop the traps. I play a lot of flex too so that might be why she doesnt cause many issues for me because two of the people I play with regularly play jungle and its easy to ask for a gank and just shut her down early. Shes useless if shes not ahead at any point. I guess its been my experience that the jungler and support beat cait, not the adc and I really dont see too much wrong with that. Every class almost has that one champ that beats all the other in its class. She has some matchups where her synergy with her support is just nuts but shes not the only one. A good xayah with leona support or Jhin with Leona support is just as oppressive as she is with nautilus/thresh/blitz. Some of the worst times ive had in this game were against her and a support with a lot off cc because as soon as her support cc's you she can pop a trap under your feet and you're going to die. It does suck but shes not alone in being able to do this.

It Hertz When IPMay 22, 20176 votes

Doesn't everyone shit on Twitch though? I can't remember the last time I've seen a Twitch win lane, or even pull even.

Mig89May 22, 20172 votes

Him being a hyper carry in a meta where supports are playing mages and junglers control the game, yes twitch is in a rough spot at the moment. I think the lack of coordination in soloQ(especially my bad ELO) hurts him but that doesnt mean hes a bad champ. If he gets some peel, twitch can easily become the strongest champ on the map.

BlåbæretMay 22, 201716 votes

Twitch isn't in a rough spot. He has a 54% win rate. If he gets past the laning phase without feeding then it's an auto-win for his team. Mains sit at 60% win rate with Twitch.

TheorcheroMay 23, 20171 votes

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Twitch isn't in a rough spot. He has a 54% win rate. If he gets past the laning phase without feeding then it's an auto-win for his team. Mains sit at 60% win rate with Twitch.

I like that you skimmed his post, made a comment miscorrecting him, then you were summarily upvoted.

BlåbæretMay 23, 20172 votes

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I'm tilted.

Yeah.

Check OP GG before you start spewing trash.

TheorcheroMay 23, 20171 votes

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Yeah.

Check OP GG before you start spewing trash.

Oh really? Looks like you didn't even bother re-reading his post.

I think the lack of coordination in soloQ(especially my bad ELO) hurts him but that doesnt mean hes a bad champ. If he gets some peel, twitch can easily become the strongest champ on the map.

Then you said:

Twitch isn't in a rough spot. He has a 54% win rate. If he gets past the laning phase without feeding then it's an auto-win for his team. Mains sit at 60% win rate with Twitch.

So you agreed with him and acted like you were correcting his statement. You did the same thing with my post. Actually read shit before you go on rants about how the other person is wrong.

Oh and before you go "He said he was in a rough spot, and muh statistics say otherwise" winrates aren't everything due to sample size and other factors.

BlåbæretMay 23, 20172 votes

twitch is in a rough spot at the moment

Get a pair of glasses, lehl.

TheorcheroMay 23, 20171 votes

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Get a pair of glasses, lehl.

Done with you, you're obviously incapable of reading entire sentences. Bye, felicia.

BlåbæretMay 25, 20171 votes

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Done with you, you're obviously incapable of reading entire sentences. Bye, felicia.

Stay mad bruwh.

Dextix LTMay 22, 20173 votes

I think its mostly the range combined with trap headshots that are the problem, but i might be wrong on that.

SidestepMay 22, 20172 votes

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no clue why you're being downvoted

cait is a legit ban in high elo, she's just strong at all stage of the game, early mid and late game, most ADC mains agree that she's imba

only cait mains find her balanced

Kek; upvoted. ;)

PoskeMay 23, 20171 votes

No she is not xd?

Hurricane interaction got removed

If anything she is trash tier since that interaction got removed Compared to most Ad carries she lacks massive dmg

There are Xayan and twitch as god tier lucian is good and the rest is tier below

KONO RUBICK DAMay 23, 20171 votes

hurricane interaction didn't get removed yet LOL

cait is broken atm

PoskeMay 23, 20171 votes

what are xayah twitch and lucian then?

They are all tier above cait

If cait doesnt get ahead she feels like 80% of a real marksman until 4 items

KONO RUBICK DAMay 23, 20171 votes

xayah twitch and lucian state of balance has nothing to do with cait state of balance she has 51.7% win rate and 37% pick rate she's a lane bully hyper carry

lucian is worse than cait right now, that doesn't mean he's balanced but cait is more broken , beside lucian is getting nerfed xayah on the other hand is a hyper carry after 1 item and twitch isn't a problem imo everytime twitch is in the other team i just don't pack with my team and spread our forces

PoskeMay 24, 20171 votes

Highest winrate AD carry is twitch

Lucian is above Caitlynn in banrate and they have about same pickrate Luc has 51.18% cait has 50.93% https://eune.op.gg/champion/statistics

Xayah is hidden op not many people can / have experience playing her

**Caityln IS NOT A HYPERCARRY **

A champion has 0 steroids And No HER RANGE DOESNT MATTER

There is Jinx/Twitch/Tristana if you want higher range and way more dps

Caitylnn is quite subpar until she reaches 4 items. 4 GODAMN items because she has no steroids. And this is why i never play her as an ADC anymore

Hypercarries curently in power order

Twitch - dude 3 hits your team from stealth he is so godamn overpowered that you can even engage with him delete 2 members dmg others and you ll win a game
Xayah - Her W steroid is insane as fk I am expecting it to get nerfed...
Kow maw he is Bassicly xayah with little more range but without anti assassin ultimate
Lucian if built like hypercarry he is hypercarry deletes everyone 1 by one hardest adc to duel in a game
Draven An actualy example of lane bully who can be hypercarry easly unlike cait
Tristana well she is still hypercarry with clunky early specially since lane swaps died out
Vayne is strictly worse lucian atm... But she has stealth I guess..

Cait would be like 14th hypercarry or so

Cait is also a bit overated as a lane bully. She is bully but not as good one as people give her credit for

There are 3 more overpowered AD carries and like 10 of them who are on the same level cait is. She is quite balanced

Also learn what broken means

KONO RUBICK DAMay 24, 20171 votes

caitlyn is more a hyper carry than most adc her passive damage is retarded af and you tell me she has no steroid

https://i.gyazo.com/fc347a1951ba91ea967db5fcc75e46ad.png one of the best cait EUW (renamed to AeQ Bigfat) tells me that her late game damage is strong and you tell me she's not a hyper carry

your champ is statistically broken that's fact now cait needs a nerf and she's being nerfed

PoskeMay 24, 20171 votes

First of all While I can play caitylnn really well I have not been really picking her this season. I prefer playing yasuo AD carry/lucian/kalista

Her passive is a subpar gimmicky steroid. NON Comparable to tristana Q, xayah W, Twitch Q+R etc, Vayne q,w,r, jinx switcheroo

Vayne,Twitch,Kogmaw,Xayah,Jinx,Cassiopeia,Azir are hypercarries

You and every person who calls cait hypercarry is clueless

**Thats like calling zed a hypercarry **

And just becomes some random EUW cait main said that her damage lategame is strong (AND I DID SAY HER 4TH BIG ITEM SPIKE IS DECENT DOESNT suddendly change your biased opinion into a fact)

Idgaf if she gets nerfed. She is perfectly viable as far as I am concerned I guess high elo diversity ll go down even more

And As far as I am concerned

51% Winrate in a patch where people instalock twitch,xayah,lucian is even to little but whatever

Also that cait main is clueless

You are supposed to Use all 3 abilities in same time Not just E>W

KONO RUBICK DAMay 24, 20171 votes

her passive adding %bonus AD on every 6 hits even less with runan, and even less from bushes is not a steroid? considering that it scales with crit, crit damage, and AD?

and her traps adding damage is not a steroid? her trap and net applying passive is not a steroid?

what world are we living in?

cait is one of the 3 banned adc in high elo with xayah and lucian

she deserves a nerf, she shouldn't be nerfed in late game (which is what riot is doing) but her early game should definitly be tuned down it's like release jinx

and 51.5% win rate combined with 37% pick rate definitly means a nerf lucian has 49% win rate and 34% pick rate FYI

OtterlyLostMay 22, 201719 votes

I don't understand how most of the board has an issue with Caitlyn out of nowhere. She hasn't changed; she's been this way since they reworked. None of her items have changed, nothing about her has changed, she's the same she always has been for at least the last season and a half. :/ She's not hard to deal with in the least either. Like someone else said, she is very susceptible to camps and in teamfights, she's easy to get on top of with an assassin or diver as well. I still remember the game I was a 7/0 Cait out of lane but once teamfights happened, the enemy Shaco rendered me useless.

As for Strong Early -> Weak Mid -> Strong Late, works in that if neither ADC dies bot lane and its just a farmfest, Cait will be significantly weaker than other AD's right after laning. The same applies to Tristana who has always had a rather good laning phase but pisspoor midgame.

Mig89May 22, 20176 votes

boards have been complaining about her off and on for forever. It just happens that its cyclical and someone else pops up and they forget about her/someone else is more annoying. I dont think shes busted or OP in any way, shes just very safe.

My HeartshakerMay 22, 20175 votes

Yeah, don't worry she's just one of the circlejerk champions.

They've be sated with Lee sin and Graves nerfs, it was only time until they moved to a different champ. I predict Ahri , Syndra or Galio next.

AzureeeMay 22, 20175 votes

So actual broken shit that needs nerfing is being complained about? Who woulda thunk it?

Johnaldinho1017May 22, 20171 votes

Last I checked Galio has a sub 50% win rate currently so...

MIC CavalryMay 22, 20176 votes

Winrates are influenced by too many factors to be the main reason for changing a champion.

Galio is definitely too strong with triple dorans, though that may just be dorans ring being too efficient.

RalanrMay 22, 20172 votes

It's also to solve the tank mana issue because we're using our abilities more for clearing.

TheorcheroMay 23, 20173 votes

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Winrates are influenced by too many factors to be the main reason for changing a champion.

Galio is definitely too strong with triple dorans, though that may just be dorans ring being too efficient.

You realize, that MSI was on 7.8, right?

Galio has ALREADY been nerfed.

AngelNipataMay 22, 20176 votes

The off and on nature of the boards complaining about cait is partially a product of when she's popular and and when she isn't. Most people have a large issue with how strong her early game is and her ability to snowball into an absolute hyper carry. I feel that the boards have an issue with this and her overall safety with her traps, range, and e; they just don't complain about it until she starts showing up more often and unveiling the miserable laning phase that is fighting a cait.

MarshbouyMay 22, 20172 votes

There are certain champions who just get bitched about when the boards doesn't have larger fish to fry.

fuffychanMay 22, 201714 votes

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I am bad at this game.

I agree

SasogwaMay 22, 201716 votes

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I agree

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SucceedsawceMay 22, 20179 votes

Ya know, before her rework and a bunch of adc item changes... she fell the fuck off mid-late game if she wasn't stupid fed, because of the fact that she was a lane bully. Cus you know, that was the damn trade off, that Riot themselves wanted on her.

Now she's a lane bully who... get's stronger? Nice trade off Riot.

Seems to be a recurring theme here lately too.

MIC CavalryMay 22, 20179 votes

She does still have a powerhole midgame, which will be more pronounced after the runaans interaction on headshot is removed next patch.

ThefrostyvikingMay 22, 20178 votes

I´ve played against and as Cait and i don't really find her hard to handle?

The only time cait get's annoying is when her support has a strong CC ability.

She is bad against tanks, lack of a steroid makes it hard for her to deal any good damage against them and she also struggles against sticky anti carries like Jax, kha6 or fizz.

The only things she really does well is zoning and killing squishes? I am not terribly impressed.

cocacolalipsMay 22, 20174 votes

That's because you are bad. She has been pick ban in competitive play for the past 7 years for a reason.

SqkergMay 23, 20172 votes

He's bad because he knows how to play against cait? What?

SasogwaMay 22, 20176 votes

The thing that bothers me a lot too is that it feels like she has extremely reactive and fast autoattacks when she has just item 3006 item 3031 item 3085 while the limiting factor of her kit is supposed to be the fact she has no attack speed steroids. In any case, she needs a nerf that defines identity here because she's just too good at too many things. Great earlygame, supposedly weak midgame but actually really strong with , also snowballing on her earlygame, and great lategame. She should have a nerf among the following list :

Trap arm time (easy chain CC)
Base attack speed
Attack speed per level
Trap duration (hello, it's a 2 second snare)
Free headshot on traps nerfed or removed
Number of traps
Oppressive traps under tower have a limited duration?

To be fair, one of the factors of her strength is the fact item 3085 is quite busted. It's basically better than all the alternatives AS+ crit, has great synergy with Cait and is ranged only. But Cait's kit and most of all the GODDAMN TRAPS is still too powerful right now.

I wouldn't even mind a buff on her Q for all I care, if that meant that her traps were butchered because honestly it is too versatile, spammable and oppressive. Really. I'd rather have Caitlyn be an insane lanebully that falls off progressively than what she is right now.

rtbf218427793May 22, 20171 votes

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The thing that bothers me a lot too is that it feels like she has extremely reactive and fast autoattacks when she has just while the limiting factor of her kit is supposed to be the fact she has no attack speed steroids. In any case, she needs a nerf that defines identity here because she's just too good at too many things. Great earlygame, supposedly weak midgame but actually really strong with , also snowballing on her earlygame, and great lategame. She should have a nerf among the following list :

Trap arm time (easy chain CC)

Base attack speed

Attack speed per level

Trap duration (hello, it's a 2 second snare)

Free headshot on traps nerfed or removed

Number of traps

Oppressive traps under tower have a limited duration?

To be fair, one of the factors of her strength is the fact is quite busted. It's basically better than all the alternatives AS+ crit, has great synergy with Cait and is ranged only. But Cait's kit and most of all the GODDAMN TRAPS is still too powerful right now.

I wouldn't even mind a buff on her Q for all I care, if that meant that her traps were butchered because honestly it is too versatile, spammable and oppressive. Really. I'd rather have Caitlyn be an insane lanebully that falls off progressively than what she is right now.

Riot is nerfing Caitlyn quite hard patch 7.11 so the complaining is unnecessary. https://www.google.com/amp/s/pvplive.net/amp/league-of-legends-pbe-patch-711-puts-caitlyn-in-a-

PB4UAMEMay 23, 20171 votes

I'd hardly call removing a busted item interaction that should never have existed (also, can they get rid of Jinx rockets shotgunning off Runaaan's too, while their at it?) "quite hard" nerfs to that champion.

rtbf218427793May 24, 20171 votes

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I'd hardly call removing a busted item interaction that should never have existed (also, can they get rid of Jinx rockets shotgunning off Runaaan's too, while their at it?) "quite hard" nerfs to that champion.

Considering how a majority of Caitlyn's team fighting damage comes from headshots and the Runaan's interaction, removing it is a hard nerf to the champion. https://www.google.com/amp/s/pvplive.net/amp/league-of-legends-pbe-patch-711-puts-caitlyn-in-a-

Daddy AntsMay 22, 20173 votes

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The thing that bothers me a lot too is that it feels like she has extremely reactive and fast autoattacks when she has just while the limiting factor of her kit is supposed to be the fact she has no attack speed steroids. In any case, she needs a nerf that defines identity here because she's just too good at too many things. Great earlygame, supposedly weak midgame but actually really strong with , also snowballing on her earlygame, and great lategame. She should have a nerf among the following list :

Trap arm time (easy chain CC)

Base attack speed

Attack speed per level

Trap duration (hello, it's a 2 second snare)

Free headshot on traps nerfed or removed

Number of traps

Oppressive traps under tower have a limited duration?

To be fair, one of the factors of her strength is the fact is quite busted. It's basically better than all the alternatives AS+ crit, has great synergy with Cait and is ranged only. But Cait's kit and most of all the GODDAMN TRAPS is still too powerful right now.

I wouldn't even mind a buff on her Q for all I care, if that meant that her traps were butchered because honestly it is too versatile, spammable and oppressive. Really. I'd rather have Caitlyn be an insane lanebully that falls off progressively than what she is right now.

Azir's soldiers have a 50% reduced duration whenever in enemy tower range.

They should give Caitlyn's traps the same treatment.

SpecterVonBarenMay 22, 20172 votes

They could nerf her huge ass attack range. Why does Tristana have a passive completely dedicated to nothing but increased range yet she gets outranged by Caitlyn until FUCKING LEVEL 16?!