Players voted with their feet on solo que

KilljoyX··2 votes·484 views

Lots of people left to play other games in light of dynamic que. Riot didn't want to admit it was a problem first patching dynamic little by little before simply abandoning it. I'm going to estimate the "Flux" que to have longer wait times than team builder did originally.

This game can only support 3-4 ques, Normal, normal draft, and ranked. The last que type is up to them but you really cannot support 5+ que types at the same time with the size and skill difference of the player base.

I'm glad they are bringing it back but this is a huge self inflicted wound to league for literally no reason. This is the business equivalent of buying a ton of spaghetti strainers in order to save sea life from pasta as a business plan. The payoff is preposterous and what was hoped for is so impossible no one should have believed this would be a positive choice.

So I'd ask riot one question. What did you hope to accomplish by allowing full teams to play against single players? More money? More casual players at low elo playing ranked? I'd love an actual answer.

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Mimy1 votes

Casual at low elo ranked play here...

And still a filthy "Normals" casual.... Playing Gnar ADC.. and hopping around ad nidalee not knowing what I do.. xD

Lee sin: Nidalee! fucking do somethign don't just stand there!

me:- uses laugh emote to roll on back - Nyaaa~~~~

I bought her last night and I took a game to just play around as her and learn.. xD

Sniper 01 votes

I always thought of it more an an experimental phase rather than anything else. I assumed the queue would come back eventually. Unfortunately some people lack loyalty. ==;;

It's hard for a company to admit they're monumentally wrong as well... They probably though the system would grow on people. Honestly... I haven't even seen a dq complaint thread since the start of the season so, dunno why people are coming out of the woodworks now. lmao

Very Hard Engage1 votes

you straight up have to compare league before, and after the addition of dynamic queue, maybe you weren't around for both.

or maybe you just heavily benefited from one queue and not the other.

in either case, solo queue needs to be brought back so that RANKED can function.

normal draft will still function exactly the same as current dynamic queue, you can still play with all your friends in the same capacity and enjoy the same type of balance. only now tons of players wont be boosted, so its a win-win overall.

NoobLearninGame1 votes

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"Quote: now that we have 2 ranked queues, why not make soloq full solo?

We got almost unilateral pushback from pros and high ranked players. A pure solo queue can get pretty lonesome for many, as well as the opportunity to practice bot lane synergies, etc.

Someone asked this internally as well, and Ghostcrawler's response was:

"We also didn't want to reinforce, even in solo queue, that LoL is a game where that you can really just play solo and try and ignore or minimize the other folks on the team. You can never have a pure experience, even in solo queue. The exception is challenger, which is a necessary compromise to preserve reasonable queue times, not because challenger is somehow more pure and therefore deserves real solo."

Why do they have to force duos upon solo players for the sake of avoiding feelings of loneliness and practicing bot lane synergy?

Can't they just go into the Flex Queue for that? Seems like a poor excuse for not taking that small extra step to make Solo Queue perfect.

Chances are when the pro and high ranked players were asked this, they weren't informed of the Flex Queue being an option you could choose alongside Solo Queue, I could be wrong though.

DeathBurst1 votes

Chances are when the pro and high ranked players were asked this, they weren't informed of the Flex Queue being an option you could choose alongside Solo Queue

For fuck's sake, can we stop second guessing Riot and always imagining they have the worst intentions?!

NoobLearninGame1 votes

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For fuck's sake, can we stop second guessing Riot and always imagining they have the worst intentions?!

Jumping the gun? I even said I could be wrong.

I never said anything about their intentions, I simply said they likely omitted the information that Solo Queue & Flex Queue would be a thing at the same time when they asked their question about whether people wanted Solo or Solo/Duo Queue.

If it was a simple questionnaire, there's a very high chance that Flex Queue was not even mentioned anywhere or explained. They might have only asked that given the choice would you want Solo Queue as it was or with duos removed.

DeathBurst1 votes

OK, you didn't say anything about their intention, except that it "seems like a poor excuse for not taking the extra step"...

And you are second guessing. Who said it was a questionnaire? What points to the "likely" fact they omitted the information? Why looking for the stuff they did bad, either intentionally or through incompetency? You're playing their bloody game because it's a good game, so can't you assume they are competent and give them the benefit of the doubt in absence of reliable information?

Gosh, I hated these bloody "debates" around SoloQ/DynQ and it had calmed down a bit, and now it's going to start again for at least 3 months, I'm already tired...

DeathBurst1 votes

I'm glad they are bringing it back but this is a huge self inflicted wound to league for literally no reason.

You're pulling that out of nowhere. Do you have any reliable source that confirms the number of players has heavily decreased?

NoobLearninGame1 votes

Okay so now you're bringing up a different quote that still didn't say anything about their intentions. They apparently asked a small portion of the community their opinion and went with that, my main point is whether the people they asked were informed sufficiently. This is not some new or unknown thing I'm suggesting, this type of lack of consideration happens all the time even when there's tons of trained professionals and large amounts of money involved, and affects our lives as citizens daily. I don't know whether they just don't know what the best way to go was, so they decided to rely on their yearly email they send people to ask their opinion through a questionnaire like I've received at least 2 years in a row, or if it was something else. If it was that then they just narrowed down the players in a certain ELO and the pros and took their answers with more weight.

But if they as the quote I used showed, found a way to get an idea of what the community's desires were regarding this change, they probably didn't sit down with each of them individually, but instead asked them in some form as a community. Do I have proof that it went down like that? No and I don't need to have any either since I left open the possibility that I haven't yet come up with all of the infinite variances of ways this specific issue may have played out and the timeline including each specific choice each member of Riot staff made, and I'm aware of and accept that fact, however it's rather irrelevant to the points I made.

If you can point to the fact that they have not omitted the information rather than simply doing the same thing you're complaining about and second-guessing me, then you'd at least be able to show me the facts that I clearly had not yet looked up myself, and would be happy to be presented with. I still feel that it is extremely likely that the only reason they got the majority of pros and high level players to agree that it should be solo & duo rather than just solo, is because they whether intentionally or unintentionally omitted the fact that Flex Queue was a thing and the details behind it, and I will stand on that position until shown evidence to the contrary. I've seen plenty of instances where people are simply misinformed on an issue because they didn't take care to make sure of the accuracy of their interpretation of what they were presented with, it doesn't even always take having the information intentionally or unintentionally omitted.

I don't feel any need to give a corporate entity the benefit of the doubt, and I've plenty of personal reasons for why I feel that way.

I answered the questionnaire they emailed us last year but not this year because I'd largely stopped playing the game except to rack up IP in quick bot games, hoping some day they'd fix ranked so I can enjoy it again without being forced into DQ.

They can send the duo players into Flex Queue, if Flex Queue is replaced with 5-man only Queue, then bring back Solo/Duo... I guess....

Many players have been asking for Solo-only queue for many years from my understanding.

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