Ezreal is 90% pick/ban with a 54% winrate

Eedat·Dec 27, 2017·50 votes·4,096 views

Can we give him a real nerf yet?

134 Comments

NiamhNyxDec 27, 201711 votes

They should never nerf a champion if its a rune/item, etc that is at fault for making them op. nerf the rune/item.

EedatDec 27, 201721 votes

That logic is awful. Nerf the keystone for 130+ champs because one or two are a problem with it? Come on.

NiamhNyxDec 27, 20179 votes

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That logic is awful. Nerf the keystone for 130+ champs because one or two are a problem with it? Come on.

adding in an item that breaks a few champions is unhealthy, or do you know nothing of balance in game development?

EedatDec 27, 201726 votes

This isn't an item and champs are balanced around their itemization legit all the time. The way it's done is if an item is overperforming on the majority of champs that use it, nerf the item. If the item is balanced on the majority of it's users, tweak the outliers.

You're implying I don't know how this works when in reality you don't.

Bronze II Yasuo Dec 27, 201711 votes

Are you familiar with the term "Sejuani'd"?

EedatDec 27, 20177 votes

Yes. And?

Bronze II Yasuo Dec 27, 20173 votes

You're arguing champions are balanced around items such need nerfs first before the items.

I mean this term didn't make up itself.

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This isn't an item and champs are balanced around their itemization legit all the time.

How much is Klept even being abused that the entirety needs to be nerfed?

EedatDec 28, 20173 votes

When did I say exactly that I wanted them both nerfed? Pretty sure this thread is clearly about nerfing Ez directly. At no point do I ever elude to nerfing Klepto as well. Getting Sejuani'd is getting direct nerfs then having your itemization nerfed which ends up guttering the champion. I never once suggested nerfing them both

Bronze II Yasuo Dec 28, 20172 votes

You’ve stated champions are balanced around their items which is no different from balancing a champion around runes, then you made this thread asking for Ez nerfs.

EedatDec 28, 20172 votes

No, I explained the difference when you would nerf an item and when you would need a champion. I never said nerf both. I was merely explaining the difference. You're implying I want him Sej'd when in reality I just want him nerfed

Plastic 5 ADCDec 29, 20171 votes

I bet you're familiar with the comment 0/10 Yasuo.

Plastic 5 ADCDec 29, 20171 votes

Agreed

An DraoiDec 27, 20172 votes

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adding in an item that breaks a few champions is unhealthy, or do you know nothing of balance in game development?

the issue is that being abused by a very few champions. I very rarely seen it built and less rarely see it used effectively. The problem is that Ezreal breaks everything he touches.

Sona PingDec 27, 20176 votes

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the issue is that being abused by a very few champions. I very rarely seen it built and less rarely see it used effectively. The problem is that Ezreal breaks everything he touches.

Kleptomancy is even being built on Fiora. And she's getting a 56%+ winrate with it.

T4underboltDec 27, 20179 votes

What 130 champs. Literally like 4 champions use this keystone. And on few others that use it, its the only way to be viable currently e.g. riven klepto. Ezreal was out of adc meta for like a year or longer. Had terrible performance and was outscaled by anything in botlane. He hit that win rate only because of klepto that is used on ez,gp,fiora,illaoi. Yeah good idea to screw the champion because they created broken rune. Remember runeglaive? Ap ez was permaban and pick or ban in competitive. What happened? They wanted to nerf him. Nerfs were on pbe. Thanks God they thought about it and didnt go with it but instead they removed the part of ite. that was allowing to abuse that for him. Result? Ezreal was back to the same state and wasnt pick or ban anymore. They should do the same with klepto. Not allow him to proc it with q. Easy as that. They already nerfed him which in result will make him useless if they nerf klepto after. If you nerf him even further after klepto changes he wont be more than a minion.

HibekiDec 28, 20172 votes

The problem is nerfing the things he uses wont fix the problem. He will find more shit to abuse and get nerfed. It wont stop. Ezreal is the problem.

T4underboltDec 28, 20171 votes

What is he going to abuse? None of the keystones makes him stronger or abuseable outside of klepto which only makes it so he hits powerspike much earlier thus he is ahead of crit adcs which results in him being able to carry unlike before when he was outscaled before he could get a single item.

HibekiDec 28, 20171 votes

Literally any on hit effect in the game.

T4underboltDec 29, 20171 votes

What on hit effects has he ever abused outside of runeglaive?none. Trinity, gauntlet, lich bane were always fine items to pick but still couldnt compare eith other items and tanks could easily block his qs for the team. You are salty instead of looking at the facts that klepto is the only thing making him strong. He has literally the same pick or ban state in every elo with runeglaive. And then he was also co tested in competitive. Now i dont see players kill to pick him like it was with runeglaive so he is less strong than he was then. Fix klepto by allowing it to proc only by auto attack and no on hit effects exactly how it is for all other champs and we are gucci.

HibekiDec 29, 20171 votes

Blue build ezreal is literally composed of onhit effects he exploits.

Its not just now, either. Every time he has been relevant its becaus he abuses SOMETHING.

Unsurprising to see one of your pocket picks is ezreal. Cant nerf that freelo can we?

T4underboltDec 30, 20171 votes

The freelo xd. Kid. I was playing ezreal long before you were born. I mained him adc when everyone said he was sht few years ago. i was using blue build beside this build being forgotten already and had great success with it. I was going straight up to a ranked game to play ap mid ezreal when nobody believed you can carry. I played ezreal ap mid THIS season as well as ad without tear with great success. I haveng even played him once adc in his state nor abused muramana bug. When ez was broken with runeglaive i wasnt happy because he was banned 100% of the times. So I was relieved when they fixed item that broke him instead of turninv him to dumpster tier with nerfs. Now he is considered broken and i cant play him as i used to do simply.because rune is too good on him. The changes they need to do to the rune wont even affect other champa using it.

And about freelo you are one big hypocrite. You try to accuse me of going freelo but you are the one changing champs like gloves. Oh look xin op lets pick him up. Oh kayn is again broken lets win some games. Oh mf is free as hell ill pick it up. Jhin strong again lets go. And i dont know if you have noticed i dont need freelo since i main evelynn and i have steadily climbed with her havig 63% winrate. Was it something that you didnt see or you are one of those who just see what they want to see.

HibekiDec 30, 20171 votes

Lol I just play any and everything. Doesn't matter if they are op.

When they are weak and I stop seeing results, I stop playing them.

I have a large problem with crit based adc's, so I dont play most of them (Exceptions ashe and jhin) because they have some method of control.

You'll also notice that I don't say they dont need changes just because I play them. If someone I play is unearthly strong, I'll call for nerfs just like everyone else. Unlike you.

So go ahead, keep up this god complex and 'holy than thou' strategy.

If I had my choice, Id play nothing but Darius, Swain, and Rengar top and jungle. But its impossible to solo win a game top and all three of those are terrible atm.

T4underboltDec 30, 20171 votes

Good joke because both darius and swain are cancers ina lane especially which in preseason usually translates into free game. Remgar isnt even bad. I repeat for the last time. Ezreal is not a problem. Klepto is which makes his power spike much earlier. I dont want to see him being useless for another 2 years because whining kids stuck in bronze xant handle to dodge q or hide behind creeps in laning phase.

HibekiDec 31, 20171 votes

Good joke because it doesnt matter whether you win top lane or not. It has absolutely no influence on the game. Even then, both of those champions do horrible against the tank/jayce/gnar meta.

Ezreal is a huge fucking problem. Any time theres anything he can abuse, hes there, abusing it, and it gets nerfed.

T4underboltDec 31, 20171 votes

Yes. And very good.he cause of him being broken gets fixed instead putting the champ into trash. Thats how it should be done like with runeglaive. You just admitted so what is the discussion for. I already said i want klepto to be fixed so he cant have synergy with it and abuse it, so he wont be banned so often and i can finally play him mid.

T4underboltDec 31, 20171 votes

I dont know. how can you be so blind. Do I really need to give you those stats? BEFORE THE PREASEASON WITH OLD RUNES AND MASTERIES EZREAL WAS NON EXISTANT IN ADC ROLE AND HAD 46% WIN RATE. THE MOMENT KLEPTO APPEARED HIS WINRATE INCREASED DRASTICALLY TO THE STATE HE BECAME PICK OR BAN. I wrote this in caps lock so maybe you finally be able to read cause surely your eyes have a defect. I recommend glassess. Though it may be a problem with simple logic and information processing then you need to train your brain which can take defenitely longer than just buying glasses. The moment they change klepto so it can proc excusively with auto attacks only, ezreal will be back to the state from before klepto = HE WILL BE UNDER 50% WINRATE AND NON EXISTANT IN BOT LANE.

NocturnalSheildDec 27, 201722 votes

Excpet ezreal breaks ALL OF THE ITEMS.

Hes single handedly gotten 4 items nerfed and 2 completely removed.

They simple need to make his Q not proc on hit effects.

T4underboltDec 27, 201719 votes

And remove him from the game completely then. Without on hit he hs no reason to build tri force which leaves him with crit build that he doesnt benefit from. Unless you let his q crit then fine.

ChargeItDownMidDec 27, 20174 votes

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Velzard of KozDec 27, 20175 votes

What exactly would you nerf then? If you say nerf his Q by removing the on-hit part, then he literally explains that it would remove him from the game in the post.

ChargeItDownMidDec 28, 20175 votes

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Velzard of KozDec 28, 20173 votes

And If Klepto will be proven to be still problem and will be nerfed he'll be Sejuani'd.

ChargeItDownMidDec 28, 20173 votes

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T4underboltDec 28, 20172 votes

Well somehow there are point and click champs stronger than ezreal yet you decided to sht on a champ that has skillshot autos. I already mentioned that the same situation happened with runeglaive. They wanted to nerf him but at last they didnt and just changed the part of the item that broke him. There is an easy fix for ezreal. Make his q not proc klepto. Just that. Simple "if" condition in game code fixing ezreals reliabilty with klepto.

TrikzterzArmaDec 28, 20172 votes

Klepto is the problem with Ez atm, nothing else. Just make it so that you have to land an actual AA to trigger Klepto, and not anything with on-hit effects

HibekiDec 28, 20173 votes

Ive been saying he needs a total rework for the longest time but its just downvote barrage

PijemSamoVodkuDec 27, 20176 votes

That is actually pure bullshit right there, and I should know because I am playing since he was released. But sheep just keep repeating what they heard somewhere else, hell I heard that Yasuo can 1 shot with his ulti and I hate him so it might as well be true...

NocturnalSheildDec 28, 20176 votes

Except it isnt.

The jungle item rune glaive got deleted 100% because mid ezreal was abusing it.

Ice born gauntlet got changed because ezreal was abusing it need i remind you the build was legit called "blue build ezreal"

Need i go on?

For being a "ezreal main" you seem to know very little about him.

Signed

A player since beta.

Plastic 5 ADCDec 28, 20172 votes

No removing Q not proccing on hit effects is the way you totally destroy that champion.

NocturnalSheildDec 28, 20172 votes

Maybe its time to destroy him then?

Hes single Handedly caused more issues then any champion i can think of.

Plastic 5 ADCDec 29, 20171 votes

Your discernible repugnance of the champ doesn't justify your opinion on it's state of balance.

NocturnalSheildDec 29, 20172 votes

Then you deny ezreal has ever gotten an item nerfed?

Let alone multiple items?

Plastic 5 ADCDec 31, 20171 votes

A lot of champions have 'broken' and changed the game, nothing new.

But come up with an actual solution instead of wildly flailing about 'nerf,nerf,nerf,rework.'

NocturnalSheildDec 31, 20172 votes

Name one.

Also the only solutions are either have specific interactions for ezreal alone

Nerf the items.

Nerf ezreal.

Daedric EtwahlDec 28, 20171 votes

So why not remove that functionality but give him buffs and change him around to compensate for that big loss?

No, I don't have any idea how to do that, hell it might be minor rework territory, but if it's been this problematic for so long, shouldn't they look into it?

Plastic 5 ADCDec 29, 20171 votes

No that would just be an unnecessary REWORK on the champion.

You just don't break down champions like that, it's not that simple either.

Daedric EtwahlDec 29, 20171 votes

But then what to do? This is far from the first time he's done this, and it certainly won't be the last until he gets changed, so what should be done?

You say it would be an unnecessary rework, but him completely breaking everything he gets his hands on just because of how his Q works, that doesn't sound like unnecessary to me

Plastic 5 ADCDec 31, 20171 votes

Well if you come up with an actual replacement/solution that won't make the whole champion shit as it have been before as AD, i'd be glad to hear it but until then. any changes to his kit are unnecessary.

Plastic 5 ADCDec 31, 20171 votes

Also him proccing items with how his Q works have been there for years, why is it supposedly op now?

Daedric EtwahlDec 31, 20171 votes

He's been completely breaking items, and now a rune, with it for years, though. Runeglaive, Iceborn Gauntlet, and now Klepto, and there maybe be one other I'm forgetting. This isn't the first time this has happened, and if that's the case then it won't be the last, either.