poppys lane phase is still horrible

lolipopevelynn·Dec 9, 2015·5 votes·1,081 views

so i dont get it. you keep her laning phase pretty much the same, make her Q a skill shot so that she can no longer bully certain champs top, and you take away her hyper carry potential?

why?

22 Comments

Comrade NapoleonDec 10, 20155 votes

Not really, iv been playing her successfully the past couple of games, she has no more mana issues (i start item 2033 ) , her q gives her a good anti push, passive nice poke and helps you secure the canon minion, and in general she is really hard to kill dive or gank. you just farm, chill and play re-actively. Later in game i found that her best position is a peeler tank for the carries Q slows W blocks dashers E pushes them away and R flings them to the void.

JefftiffyDec 9, 20153 votes

Because she was toxic, we couldn't figure out how to rework her and finally said "Fuck, Poppy".

Riot 2015

lolipopevelynnDec 9, 20154 votes

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Because she was toxic, we couldn't figure out how to rework her and finally said "Fuck, Poppy".

Riot 2015

seems like it, cuz she is overall WORSE than she was before. her ult is ok for team fights, but thats literaly it. nerfs across the board. holy fuck.

The WhamboozlerDec 10, 20153 votes

Speak for yourself, I love her now.

And this is coming as someone who liked old poppy! I own two of her legacy skins ffs.

Tristanl0lDec 9, 20152 votes

Play her jungle? I've only taken her jungle so far because top lane is a freaking mess.

JefftiffyDec 9, 20151 votes

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Play her jungle? I've only taken her jungle so far because top lane is a freaking mess.

That's the only place I played her before the rework because she had the same problems before, but her passive was even more useful there and she was literally the gank train.

lolipopevelynnDec 9, 20152 votes

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Play her jungle? I've only taken her jungle so far because top lane is a freaking mess.

even jg she is still worse because she lost her diving potential with her passive and ult being removed.

JefftiffyDec 9, 20151 votes

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even jg she is still worse because she lost her diving potential with her passive and ult being removed.

Actually now that I think about it, she may just become a support like she did in the LCS for awhile. She has some nice utility for bot lane and forcing lopsided fights meaning that she may not ever see use in her intended role lol. (I still have no clue what it is as Riot has never said where she was supposed to go, and she struggles everywhere)

lolipopevelynnDec 9, 20152 votes

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Actually now that I think about it, she may just become a support like she did in the LCS for awhile. She has some nice utility for bot lane and forcing lopsided fights meaning that she may not ever see use in her intended role lol. (I still have no clue what it is as Riot has never said where she was supposed to go, and she struggles everywhere)

riot wants her to be a pure tank, but for some reason they nerfed the living shit out of her passive. her old passive would have allowed her to be the tank they actually want her to be. right now she fails even at that because fucking tahm kench exist. a champ that presses E and gains a 4k shield where as poppy only gains shit tier shield ONLY if she plays "lets take 500+ damage trying to pick up my own shield" game.

its rage inducing how incompetent the balance team has been recently. it really is. they have no idea what they are doing, now a damn clue.

RalanrDec 9, 20154 votes

Her old passive allowed her to be a tank without requiring any tank items.

ProfDrDeathDec 10, 20151 votes

Her new W passive mimicks her old passive in its increased effectiveness when having low HP, but without the counterintuitive effect the old passive had. With the way the old passive worked, it was actually more beneficial for Poppy to invest her gold in non-tanky items, as buying health or resistances reduced the impact of the passive.

ZER0999Dec 10, 20151 votes

Yes, it boosts at low health, but the actual tankiness you gain from it is so insignificant you wouldn't notice it anyway. Poppy atm is about as tanky as your average adc, but without escapes. Unless she gets buffed in some way, she is pretty much just an ult bot with a conditional cc

LankPantsDec 10, 20151 votes

Her ganks aren't that bad. Don't forget that her passive applies Red Buff.

Also her new passive and W passive are both really good for diving. She's still almost as good at diving, but her jungle clear sucks way less now.

LGC JairenDec 9, 20152 votes

i've been feeling this too. Most people who played her begged them not to take her full tank. then they started doing clever wording to avoid calling her a full tank. then we get a full tank and are told that's how it is.

she's not even fun to play as anymore, and i don't mean in the broken op way the old one was, it's a horribly clunky kit with most of the downsides of the old poppy without enough of a benefit.

i said time and time again just turn her into a darius style bruiser or make her a tank buster. instead we got..."solo" lane braum?

so much feedback went unheard.

kasfasDec 10, 20151 votes

Get IBG, and win lane, then win game. That simple. Seriously, burst is redic.

Lady HammerlockDec 10, 20151 votes

Her laning phase is better..although not the best its still far better then the old poppy

lolipopevelynnDec 10, 20151 votes

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Her laning phase is better..although not the best its still far better then the old poppy

nah. old poppy could bully certain champs out of lane with her Q and her passive allowed for high burst champs to not all in her or out bully her. new poppy cant do any of that and her Q actually is not that good of a wave clear skill if you intend on building her full tank.

the only thing thats "better" is the fact that her Q is a VERY LACKLUSTER aoe, but its a trade off for literally everything else.

her new Q is the main thing wrong with her however. its a double skill shot and i dont understand why... its melee range with a hit box thats probably smaller than poppys actual fucking model. either the range needs to be doubled/trippled or they need to make the first hit of her Q just a AA amp like her old Q was and only the 2nd hit of her Q is a skill shot. fix that and you fix new poppy.

Meep ManDec 10, 20151 votes

Her laning phase isnt that bad what?

WeatheredDec 10, 20151 votes

Its called trying to make a new release champion balanced. Buffs and nerfs come later.

DustyElLionDec 10, 20151 votes

I've played a LOT of Poppy. Trust me this laning phase is much better. Mana is a non-issue most of the time, you're passive lets you get good trades, harass, or grab the cannon minion even when zoned. Her W makes ganks and engages difficult on her, and her Q gives her at least SOME AoE. She's no lane bully, but she scan definitely stand on her own now.

MLDzXnRRRDec 10, 20151 votes

No more mana problems. You can delete squishy champions like GP, Yasuo etc.

alfavhunterDec 10, 20151 votes

I beat a 5 item yi 1v1 with 4 items

She still has her power from late game it's just no longer a I ignore your team ult, it's a I separate you and your team for an uneven fight in numbers

Wall stunning with her is now a must for winning fights now though

The only buffs I think she needs is her stats for MR scaling and making W scale better