Why is Rek'Sai getting more nerfs? Here's the real problem.

Ternt··66 votes·5,301 views

Especially when there's cancer like Yi, Shyvanna, Vayne, etc still with no sign of nerfs. I realize it's a small nerf, but her complete kit has been fucked around multiple times over the past few patches and it just doesn't make sense when there's a constant outcry for balance changes in the devourer meta. She went from a 100% pick/ban to dropped off the face of the earth in 2 patches, and I can't understand why you'd nerf her STILL. The problem with the jungle is there's only certain champions that fit a certain niche in the meta, so when the meta is around they dominate until you nerf the fuck out of them to make them useless again. It's not her stats that you need to nerf, you need to just stop making champions with overloaded kits and bringing out retarded items that make 5 champs insanely overpowered while leaving the rest with shit all. Cinderhulk made tanky junglers even bigger and harder to kill, Runeglaive was a midlane buff and I believe only 1 champion uses it in pro play and that's Evelynn (Last stat I saw she was like 5/103 pick rate or ~5%), Warrior is terrible since getting nerfed because it's a pure early game item and scales like shit into the late game, Devourer has made already viable junglers even stronger, while leaving many junglers without the benefit from Sated out in the wind. This is my personal opinion, so feel free to share your thoughts.

TL;DR: Rek'Sai was my main for awhile and now I find her much harder and less useful to play in any build because of how much shit her kit has gone to this season. For the sole reason of her kit that Riot designed for her.

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A Miss Fortune14 votes

I think Rek'sai was released with an overloaded kit and they needed to flat out remove aspects of it and stop nerfing it. It's the same thing with Ekko.

Both Ekko and Rek'sai were so overloaded when they were released. They have damage, mobility, sustain, CC but Riot just keeps nerfing their abilities. I think that if they keep doing so they will both be trash tier since none of their abilities will be strong at all, and they could of been more balanced from the start by just removing something from their kit like Ekko's dash or Rek'sai's heal.

Tworie3 votes

The sustain is really weak and you call that weak knockup "CC"? Her Q while burrowed can't hurt anybody and it's only used to kill people who are at 10HP and she can't use her true damage unless she has a full rage bar and it takes a while to build up to use if you're not split pushing and just roaming around looking to gank somebody so you never really get to use it in a gank.

Her kit is hardly overloaded... You might even say it's not overloaded at all...

Ternt12 votes

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The sustain is really weak and you call that weak knockup "CC"? Her Q while burrowed can't hurt anybody and it's only used to kill people who are at 10HP and she can't use her true damage unless she has a full rage bar and it takes a while to build up to use if you're not split pushing and just roaming around looking to gank somebody so you never really get to use it in a gank.

Her kit is hardly overloaded... You might even say it's not overloaded at all...

I feel like you don't really know how to use her properly.. As somebody whose has a lot of success on her this season, I'd stick by my statements saying she does have a loaded kit. Global ult, good sustain early, pretty good ganks prior to the -40 range nerf and decent late game damage in her true damage E. ON TOP of her steroid ult AS growth.

Tworie2 votes

I'm a gold Rek'sai main... I think I know all the ins an outs of Rek'sai by now since I've been playing her since last season...

-Her ult isn't global, it only works on her tunnels and those can be easily destroyed if the enemy team is vigilant in taking them down

-Her sustain isn't that good unless you have armor runes

-Her true damage does like 800 damage with Hydra and some other items if you build her AD, but good luck getting to use it before you get melted by better tankier duelists like Vi who has an armor reduction passive in her kit which is OP with sated devourer... without AD items, she does like 400 damage... That's not much and any ADC who's good at kiting and has decent life steal can heal that up in no time

-Her kit isn't overloaded

-Silver is easy

General Murica5 votes

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I'm a gold Rek'sai main... I think I know all the ins an outs of Rek'sai by now since I've been playing her since last season...

-Her ult isn't global, it only works on her tunnels and those can be easily destroyed if the enemy team is vigilant in taking them down

-Her sustain isn't that good unless you have armor runes

-Her true damage does like 800 damage with Hydra and some other items if you build her AD, but good luck getting to use it before you get melted by better tankier duelists like Vi who has an armor reduction passive in her kit which is OP with sated devourer... without AD items, she does like 400 damage... That's not much and any ADC who's good at kiting and has decent life steal can heal that up in no time

-Her kit isn't overloaded

-Silver is easy

Im a 2 time dia jungle/sup main, currently p2 with decent w/l, rek sai is an easier lee sin+overloaded.

-gold 5's easy

Tworie1 votes

It's easy to lie about being in diamond, huh? I was in Diamond, too...

General Murica2 votes

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It's easy to lie about being in diamond, huh? I was in Diamond, too...

Imagine you didnt have 900 games in down syndrome 5

Tworie1 votes

Yeah it's not like I play more normals/team builder games than ranked games or anything loser

General Murica2 votes

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Yeah it's not like I play more normals/team builder games than ranked games or anything loser

what?

900 rankeds games is a fuck ton

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/28852901#profile This is mainly playing normals.. (started g1 this year)

Tworie1 votes

lmao I can link to other people's lolking's too y'know

Hey why don't you post a screencap instead?

Ternt2 votes

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lmao I can link to other people's lolking's too y'know

Hey why don't you post a screencap instead?

Just post the guys who carried you to Gold.

Tworie1 votes

Can't do it, can you? :3c

Ternt2 votes

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Can't do it, can you? :3c

See, my stats don't lie. I can handle my own. You have MMR of Silver 2 lol.

Downfall1 votes

Can we leave the big dick fights to in-game pls?

General Murica1 votes

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lmao I can link to other people's lolking's too y'know

Hey why don't you post a screencap instead?

Go trou my threads, see how often i screencap my account with complaints about MM/bugs etc, ye, good boy.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Vq4nLFLj-so-they-back

As well, her burrow ability is probably the most effective ganking tool in the game pre-6. Her points of entry over walls pretty much means that her ganks are inescapable without her targets hugging their towers, blowing flashes, or CCing Rek'sai.

Ye, her top ganks+bot lane tunnels are just absurd.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

She sustain, mobility, damage, CC, true damage, physical damage, magic damage, AoE and single target damage. Yeah.

Gixia1 votes

Magic damage? The only magic damage she has is her burrowed Q, which is low damage and doesn't scales since Rek'Sai doesn't build AP. To argue that this means Rek'Sai does magic damage is to say that EVERY champ deals magic damage, since almost every champ has at least one magic damage skill.

A Miss Fortune2 votes

True however most champions don't also have true damage on top of having physical and magical damage (from abilities/passives)

Gixia2 votes

Most of them don't... unless they have true damage on their kit and then most of them do. Only Twitch, Vayne, Yi, Olaf, and as of yesterday Darius deal true damage but have no built in source of magic damage anywhere. In contrast Corki, Irelia, Cho'Gath, Ahri, Kog'Maw, Rek'Sai, Vel'Koz, and Zyra, the majority of true damage dealing champs, have access to all 3 sources of damage.

Ternt1 votes

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Most of them don't... unless they have true damage on their kit and then most of them do. Only Twitch, Vayne, Yi, Olaf, and as of yesterday Darius deal true damage but have no built in source of magic damage anywhere. In contrast Corki, Irelia, Cho'Gath, Ahri, Kog'Maw, Rek'Sai, Vel'Koz, and Zyra, the majority of true damage dealing champs, have access to all 3 sources of damage.

Her Q is pretty weak, and the CD on it isn't practical to finish unless theyre low and flash. Her W can only be used every 6 seconds because of the knock-up prevention can only be used 1 or 2 times in a fight max. Her W damage was tweaked and does almost nothing on knock up anyways. So her truly 2 forms of damage are her super underpowered Q and only useful at full fury E.

A Miss Fortune2 votes

Talking about directly from abilities and their passive. Every champion in the game has access to physical damage due to auto attacks is why.

Gixia1 votes

Yes, but auto-attack damage, even when it's low, isn't to be ignored. Especially when you take into account that Rek'Sai's burrowed Q damage is so low, in the time it takes for it to come off CD, even a squishy mage can deal more physical damage through auto-attacks than she can deal magic damage with her Q.

hgrva1 votes

are you talking about irelia XD?

ScrubbyMcFail1 votes

no what should be removed is his w excute damage it makes literally no sense

Yuniver1 votes

They could just remove the stun aspect of his W, keep the shield. Or just tone down the stun duration and shield amount or scaling.

Profirix6 votes

I would really like her to be a bruiser again. Since the Q ratio nerfs, her potential as a melee bruiser is practically non-existent. Now they want to stop her passive from gaining bonus rage during un-burrow? Less fury = less healing and a longer time before you can get true damage on E. This is not a small nerf. She does not need it - hence why she is not played in the LCS or even in solo queue much anymore.

Sakura Mirage5 votes

When is the last time you have shv yi in lcs like what 10 times 9 times being a toplaner and how many time have you seen vayne like 30 across the boards, and how many times have you seen rek sai what 200 games.

Ternt39 votes

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When is the last time you have shv yi in lcs like what 10 times 9 times being a toplaner and how many time have you seen vayne like 30 across the boards, and how many times have you seen rek sai what 200 games.

99% of the League population don't play LCS.

stealthfox9411 votes

Actually it's more like 99.9999999%

Sassmast3r4 votes

I recall back when she was released she was an INCREDIBLY strong jungler, and they had to nerf her quite a lot to make up for it. I don't remember exactly what it was that made her so strong, since I was still a low level at the time. I just remember her being picked all the time and seemingly carrying the teams I would play on. One of my friends actually played Rek'Sai a lot a few patches ago, and I've seen him playing her a LOT less. I asked him why and he said for the exact same reason that you said; she doesn't feel strong right now. She truly doesn't. I actually began noticing this a few weeks ago, when I would have Rek'Sai as either my team's jungler or the opponents, and she never really did... good I guess? She just didn't seem to have an impact. So honestly, yes, I am also quite confused as to why they are nerfing her even more, when she hasn't been good for a while now.

Ternt1 votes

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I recall back when she was released she was an INCREDIBLY strong jungler, and they had to nerf her quite a lot to make up for it. I don't remember exactly what it was that made her so strong, since I was still a low level at the time. I just remember her being picked all the time and seemingly carrying the teams I would play on. One of my friends actually played Rek'Sai a lot a few patches ago, and I've seen him playing her a LOT less. I asked him why and he said for the exact same reason that you said; she doesn't feel strong right now. She truly doesn't. I actually began noticing this a few weeks ago, when I would have Rek'Sai as either my team's jungler or the opponents, and she never really did... good I guess? She just didn't seem to have an impact. So honestly, yes, I am also quite confused as to why they are nerfing her even more, when she hasn't been good for a while now.

She used to be a viable tank, with decent damage; about where Ekko is right now. Her range nerf really destroyed her entire prowess on the map, making way for Sated.

Sassmast3r1 votes

Her range got nerfed!?!?! That's ridiculous! Why didn't they just nerf her AD ratios instead?

pοοpybutthοle1 votes

they nerfed both... u cant play her anymore

Sassmast3r1 votes

Wow O.O that was completely and totally unnecessary.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

Because they already gutted her AD ratios...

Dreadlocks3 votes

I feel like rek'sai doesn't even do damage anymore.. Shes pretty much built as a tank and gets a black cleaver to shred armor.. And i mean ONLY shred armor.. i feel like minions do more damage than me when i play her no matter what items i build her Q just absolutely SUCKS now.

Ternt1 votes

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I feel like rek'sai doesn't even do damage anymore.. Shes pretty much built as a tank and gets a black cleaver to shred armor.. And i mean ONLY shred armor.. i feel like minions do more damage than me when i play her no matter what items i build her Q just absolutely SUCKS now.

I mean to go from 90% to 60% was huge. Especially since she is forced to build tank. I've been trying new builds with Devourer that haven't been doing as well as the Cinderhulk build I used before.

Dreadlocks1 votes

I'm pretty sure it was 120% on release (which was admittedly too high) These new items should help her a little but i still feel shes pretty weak compared to others in terms of damage.

Ternt2 votes

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I'm pretty sure it was 120% on release (which was admittedly too high) These new items should help her a little but i still feel shes pretty weak compared to others in terms of damage.

When you compare her kit to Vi's, she's insanely weak.

The Loveless1 votes

she's kind of boring also

she could use buffs to scaling (in turn, MAYBE less base damage) and perhaps better attack speed on the ulti passive.

alfavhunter3 votes

Remove true damage, rebuff her range to release

Make E full fury a single target stun,

This helps enforce her as a tank / bruiser that focuses on mobility and CC,

Earl Eulrich2 votes

guess it´s mostly due to her being such a staple pick in pro-play as they relay a lot more on the early pressure (about the best gankpathing pre 6 in the game) and stategic value (global-ult/good waveclear/vision in the dark) she offers for the team than soloq. unfortunatelly they don´t adress the things that make her problematic in pro-play, but rather generally nerf her already lackluster combat-strength witch really hurts her potential outside of premade 5v5.

in comparion devourer is not a thing for (most) pros, as you can´t really win against good and organized team if your jungler just farms for 20min and then still dies within the first 2sec of a teamfight due to devourer/botrk providing no tankstats at all...also, devourer really doesn´t offer any fallback patterns if the opponent jungler just wins his lanes and then comes invading...which is way devourer all in all is just really bullshit design, it´s mostly enhancing snowballing and that´s that.

General Keith2 votes

As a Rek'Sai main, you have my +1

Erockandroll1 votes

Riot is turning her into a global pressure bot. He's being abused in the LCS because of how much pressure his Ult gives her. And that pretty much continues Regardless of what riot does to her.

Probably more so that their are few "Wrong items" for her. He can go either warrior, or Cinderhulk, (or possibly even devourer) and still do good.

Ternt2 votes

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Riot is turning him into a global pressure bot. He's being abused in the LCS because of how much pressure his Ult gives him. And that pretty much continues Regardless of what riot does to him.

Probably more so that their are few "Wrong items" for him. He can go either warrior, or Cinderhulk, (or possibly even devourer) and still do good.

She can do a lot yes, but she isn't the best in any role anymore. She was an absolute powerhouse, even after countless ratio nerfs. Her knock up nerf pretty much killed her off because that's her ENTIRE FUCKING MECHANIC. When you delete the characters main functionality, you delete the character itself. It would be the same if you made Zed's shadows CD much higher or Vayne's true damage 5 shots. You can't fuck with the mechanics of the champion and expect it to survive.

Phife1 votes

Rek'sai has constantly been nerfed over and over for no reason. after the second batch of nerfs hit us around 5.10 or so she was balanced... But Riot kept raping her illegally.

Ternt1 votes

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Rek'sai has constantly been nerfed over and over for no reason. after the second batch of nerfs hit us around 5.10 or so she was balanced... But Riot kept raping her illegally.

That's how I feel. I literally sit in champ select hovered over her and just think about how I'd be fucking my team over picking Rek'Sai.

Phife2 votes

They've nerfed her Q ratio damage to the point where its just added base damage... and now they're reducing the amount of rage she gets from unburrowing on a target....

Like, shes not even being played anymore! why are you nerfing her?

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