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PSA: For Laners, from Junglers.

Ternt·2/29/2016, 1:53:21 PM·44 votes·4,153 views

I'm a jungle main, and here are things people do not understand about the jungle role and explanations why things play out the way they do.

  • There are 3 lanes, my jungle, their jungle, scuttles, dragon, rift herald, not just your lane.
  • I also need to farm, because I need levels and steady income. You don't play the lottery to live, you get a consistent paying job.
  • Pinging me at level 2 is useless for us both. If I have only done 1 camp and you're pinging me, we're going to have issues. YOU need to learn to adapt your playstyle to their aggro or just stop playing aggro in general. If they are playing aggressive, lose some CS to set me up for a juicy gank. With them dying to a gank, you'll be able to farm. If they continue to play aggro, then it's gg because I will capitalize off their stupidity.
  • You getting out played is not my fault.
  • If I gank you, commit to the gank. Too many times I ping 30 seconds before the gank I am OMW and you go ham and get chunked. So when I finally make it there to gank, you don't commit and you've wasted my time and I've given up my position.
  • The jungler has a laundry list of things to control such as vision, neutral objectives, ganking, farming, pathing, tempo, etc.
  • "I'm 0/3 and X has already ganked me 2 times to your 0." If you're playing aggro after dying 1-2 times solo and you're not hugging turret, why the hell wouldn't the jungler gank you over and over? It's clear your intelligence level is below par and the jungler understands that. If you're pushed in lane and behind, you're going to get ganked 100%.
  • If you want ganks, make the ganks worth it and stop pushing your lanes out. Learn how to manage minions so they are forced to push to continue farming. It is not your junglers fault you keep pushing waves into your laner who is already way ahead of you.
  • Stop flaming your jungler. If you understand his role is important, yelling at him is going to make him less likely to actually want to try and help you.
  • If you got first blood, then managed to still die 3 times in a row, I can assume (using common knowledge) that you're not very skilled on your champion and the other person made a mistake in the first interaction. I WILL ignore you unless the kills are absolutely free. If the kill is free and we fail to secure the kill, I won't be back. I had a game like this the other day with a Mundo top where my Olaf missed every axe while chasing Mundo down the lane. This is a clear indication I won't be back, it's only a waste of time at that point.

The jungle is the hardest role in the game, and people don't understand that. If you're willing to bitch about the jungler not helping, you should clearly understand how vital the role is.

62 Comments

FurretHasAGlock2/29/2016, 2:23:05 PM5 votes

The jungler, while most things you state are true, may not be the hardest role. For some people? Yes. I, personally think that ADC is the hardest because people expect much more from you than others. Support can be considered because not only must you keep your team alive, you must not take the farm, or the kills. This requires patience. Top lane, well, this is easy to play. Same with mid lane. (Then again this is coming from a gnar, karma, and galio main) Jungle, yes, it is hard, but it really depends on opinions for that one

Space Bum2/29/2016, 5:54:18 PM4 votes

My message to junglers as a former jungle main current top/mid main:

If there is a solo lane with an immobile opponent that is over extending abuse the hell out of them.

You need to point out your bitch from the load screen. I went vs a jihn as AP Shaco last night and the Jungler never ganked my lane. I wasn't bitching about the matchup though it was rough I was just so surprised that he never came to tap that sweet squishy immobile ass. We won so it's K but still...

Korillo2/29/2016, 5:44:33 PM4 votes

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  • If you want ganks, make the ganks worth it and stop pushing your lanes out. Learn how to manage minions so they are forced to push to continue farming. It is not your junglers fault you keep pushing waves into your laner who is already way ahead of you.

PSA: Learn how to lane gank and counter-gank. A lane doesn't have to be pushed towards me for you to be able to gank.

The jungle is the hardest role in the game, and people don't understand that. If you're willing to bitch about the jungler not helping, you should clearly understand how vital the role is.

While you have some reasonable points, all 5 players have an equal importance on the rift so you come off as acting a bit like a dick when you declare your role the hardest of all.

RIPxMidnight2/29/2016, 9:23:27 PM3 votes

One downside to the new champ select is that some players may never be forced into the Jungle role, and so they may never learn what a jungler actually has to do.

Just the other day I was 5/0/7 as Master Yi and our Kog Maw bot lane was complaining that I gave him 0 ganks. He was winning lane and never was ganked by the enemy jungler either because I was so busy wrecking top and mid and counter jungling that the enemy had no opportunity.

It was genuinely laughable. I told him that it was my goal to win the game and not his lane and muted his ass. We won the game.

If a teammate doesn't understand what Jungle does, don't argue with that person. Don't try to educate that person while the game is still going on. Just play your game, Jungle.

DorkunedAuras2/29/2016, 11:14:51 PM2 votes

As a top/jg main, I agree with everything here. I try to be as kind as possible to my jungler. I main RekSai top, which entails going super aggro. My friends when I queue with them know this. Because I can set up tunnels in bushes, I'm virtually gank immune, so they simply ignore me, let me rouse shit up, and gank mid/bot. I give so much pressure their jungler is gaurenteed to waste 2 ganks on me at least in laning phase, with almost never any luck.

And when I do fuck up, it's my fault. Not my jungler's. When my friends know I establish a pattern of "ignore my lane, I have this shit", I have to play just right.

Ale non è male3/1/2016, 12:47:19 PM2 votes

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  • "I'm 0/3 and X has already ganked me 2 times to your 0." If you're playing aggro after dying 1-2 times solo and you're not hugging turret, why the hell wouldn't the jungler gank you over and over? It's clear your intelligence level is below par and the jungler understands that. If you're pushed in lane and behind, you're going to get ganked 100%.

Umph...I think that laners are wrong in counting the strict number of ganks the enemy jungler has done comparing to your jungler, and that the jungler could have just set up other lanes to get relevant advantagesin the meantime , so they can eventually roam and can sohelp you, thus the fact you got a bit less attention is something you got to accept when you are in a lane. I have been on both sides of this thing so I understand what it happens and generally accept it But could aslo be a signal that the jungler has being outroated by the enemy. If I got pressured multiple times, It is obvious that I'll die some times. The jungler has to evaluate if the lane can be recovered in laning phase, BUT at times when a lane has pinged obvious times the enemy lane movements or has escaped a gank successfully but shortly after receive another gank and the jungler has never showed up nor set up some good gank in another lane or gotten an objective while resorting to endlessly farming or focus only a single lane, then the jungler must take the blame for his faults

Also, the laners must put attention in their positioning and jungler positioning, but jungler must do the same and time correctly his movement. Too many times I have seen a jungler gank bot out of nowhere on minimap when I as support was on the backfoot with low mana and the ADC was on the backfoot as well and had to use resources to move in lane and reach the jungler, who got usually yet chunked up so the enemy either had time to retreat while ADC and sup reach jungler position or even worse they got the kills on our team, while the enemy jungler see this and gank another lane to get the kill and possibly the tower, and then blame the laners for what is in large part or entirely their fault (of course they are right to complain when the laners fuck up, and this happens a lot too)

BradoxTTV3/1/2016, 6:33:40 PM2 votes

usually i just try to find the person on the biggest losing streak and camp the absolute hell out of them

#tiltmode

GigglesO2/29/2016, 4:17:21 PM2 votes

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I'm a jungle main, and here are things people do not understand about the jungle role and explanations why things play out the way they do.

  • I also need to farm, because I need levels and steady income. You don't play the lottery to live, you get a consistent paying job.
  • You getting out played is not my fault.

It is really odd how their jungler seems to gank "play the lottery" Instead of farming.

  • If I gank you, commit to the gank. Too many times I ping 30 seconds before the gank I am OMW and you go ham and get chunked. So when I finally make it there to gank, you don't commit and you've wasted my time and I've given up my position.

Don't ping that far in advanced, alot of people see that and start in for the kill, then they realize you aren't as close as you said you are, and it ends up being a bad situation by time you do get there.

  • The jungler has a laundry list of things to control such as vision, neutral objectives, ganking, farming, pathing, tempo, etc.

So why is it that you guys don't get the warding smite, with a sweeper?

If you're pushed in lane and behind, you're going to get ganked 100%.

Most of the time being able to push dosen't mean you are 100% behind.

  • Stop flaming your jungler. If you understand his role is important

If the jungler would take objectives, or gank, or be farming devourer this is less likely to happen. As it is if you are playing a ludens echo jungler, why are you not ganking?

  • If you got first blood, then managed to still die 3 times in a row, I can assume (using common knowledge) that you're not very skilled on your champion and the other person made a mistake in the first interaction

Or the enemy jungler decided to actually get off his ass and do something.

The jungle is the hardest role in the game, and people don't understand that.

False, support is the hardest role, you have to support a crybaby that can't do a thing for the first 50 minutes of the game.

warpenguin5552/29/2016, 5:33:41 PM2 votes

I love it when the top laner crys about getting camped. My response is always "good. Hey bot want a gank drag is free. Top keep him up there and I'll get you Herald"

Stephenizgod2/29/2016, 6:49:37 PM2 votes

Actually I'd say Support is harder, a bit biased because I am a Support main, but only because of its reliance on teammates. A Jungler can carry a game either by taking objectives or getting kills, so if their teammates are bad they still have a chance at Victory. A Support, unless like Lux or Brand, relies on their Teammates ability to take Objective and get Kills, they merely aid in those two things. Sure if your ADC is bad you can just roam to Top or Mid, but what if everyone is bad? You are basically screwed, to carry that game you need to be Challenger Support levels. You can hit all CC you want, ward every bush, engage and disengage like a boss, but it won't matter if your teammates do nothing with this.

Yea none of the individual responsibilities of a Support is hard, but there is a lot responsibility and it adds up. The Jungler needs only worry about their own Jungle and their own lanes. The enemy Junglers jungle doesn't really matter unless you are going to counter-jungle which is a strategy not a requirement (obviously knowing what buffs they have taken is important), because your main goal is objective control such as Turrets, Dragon, and Rift Herald/Baron. All of what a Support does is pretty much mandatory, if you don't do them your team will be severely weakened.

There is always exceptions though, you can win a game with only 1 person and they can be the ADC, Mid, Top, Jg, even the Support. Still if everyone is doing their jobs, id say the Support has the toughest time since they have the least XP and Gold to work with but the most responsibilities without being able to accomplish anything by themselves.

otakuSeries30003/1/2016, 11:28:46 AM1 votes

i don't agree that jungle is the hardest role in the game, why u think that jungle is harder than any other role? because u have to choose route? , because u have to choose which lane to gank? because u have to think when u can counterjungle when not? because u should think about counter gank or be counter ganked? it's not easy but other roles also should keep many stuff in mind and making decisions, so it's just a bullshit about hardest role