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How often does off-meta get reported? - Results from my last 90 days

Aqua Dragon··93 votes·22,103 views

#Introduction

Howdy! I'm Aqua Dragon, and I play a lot of really weird stuff in Diamond.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=aquadragon

Jungle Malzahar, Tank Karthus, Support Orianna, APC-Bot Ghost Vel'koz, and AP Kog.

Suffice to say, I get reported. A lot.

I was wondering, "How often?" and it turns out you can send in a ticket request to find out how many times!

#Here are the results.

Reports Received#
Leaving / AFK:9
Hate Speech:1
Verbal Abuse:23
Negative Attitude:40
Assisting Enemies:50
Third Party Tools:1

124 Reports in 90 Days, about 270 games.

Now this information has a caveat: people can report you for more than one category at a time, so it's probably a bit less than this. Still, it's a lot of reports!

#Have you been punished?

I've been playing weird stuff in ranked League for 5 seasons now.

And in all my time, I've never been muted, suspended, banned, punished, or even warned a single time.

Riot's report system is very good at identifying unwarranted reports!

#But are you a toxic player?

Here's an example of what kind of awful reported behavior I had in-game.

Aqua Dragon: 15s cd Aqua Dragon: Almost worked though Aqua Dragon: Rakan no ult Aqua Dragon: MF still has Aqua Dragon: i gotcuh Aqua Dragon: gg

Oh the humanity! But perhaps that was cherry-picked, so here's another awful example of human waste.

Aqua Dragon: I'm Kog. Aqua Dragon: Mad respect. Aqua Dragon: Those were some fancy feet. Aqua Dragon: Our poke is intense, Xer Aqua Dragon: Aced Aqua Dragon: Mao, you beast Aqua Dragon: Wonder if we can arrive in time Aqua Dragon: I got smite Aqua Dragon: gg

Suffice to say, I don't usually type very much.

Perhaps that's why I've been reported often: many rude people interpret my lack of responses as "refusing to cooperate and communicate with the team" But it's tough when every statement I make about my builds is up for debate, harassment, bullying, and sheer salt.

Better to just lay low and focus on winning.

Thanks for reading!

165 Comments

The Ecdysiast14 votes

Wow, it's great to see actual evidence that people can troll and int all they want as long as they don't use the chat.

Good thread.

Kai Guy69 votes

Op is 50%+ playing off meta in one of the higher elos.

How exactly is winning games trolling or inting?

Guys at 68% win rate last 20 games. Dude was in Masters when you was still silver.

Off meta is just off meta, nothing is inherently wrong with it long as you win more then you lose.

Illabethe15 votes

pretty much >.> Leona Jungle is extremely strong even in diamond. Pyke's right up there too.

Lil Homie busta7 votes

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[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=177UU6Va,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-09-29T21:08:56.451+0000)

Gonna need a senzu for that one

IcyPepper1 votes

nothing is inherently wrong with it long as you win more then you lose.

Okay, but if you lose more than you win while playing meta... is playing meta inherently wrong? D:

My Waifu Vanilla3 votes

No it makes you a sheep that has no idea what they are doing on the "op op no skill champions".

PooWho31 votes

He must really suck at Inting every game if he managed to get Diamond.

The Ecdysiast3 votes

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He must really suck at Inting every game if he managed to get Diamond.

Doesn't take poor performance to troll people. Just takes being inconsiderate to your allies like that.

Verxint29 votes

This is more proof of what I've believed for a while - the people who complain "riot doesn't ban OBVEEEUUUSS trolls but I get punished" are people who define "obvious troll" as "anyone who does something I don't like"

Verxint14 votes

Personally what I'd like to see but you probably can't get the data: What % of games where your team won did you get reported, and what % where your team lost?

If it were possible, I'd bet that the majority of your reports are games your team lost, and going further, the majority of those reports come from the guy on your team with the most deaths

MrFawknSunshine9 votes

off meta isnt suppose to be punishable or reportable. where it crosses the line if you are legit trolling and not trying to win or help team. alot of your off meta isnt really all that off meta from what you described. ap kog is old school kog mid , he is better on hit with hybrd items. tank karthus kinda makes sense he builds tanky ap items, orianna support i have seen it since season 3 off n on. jungle malz i have seen quite a bit. seen alot of velkoz support bot. so as long as you dont troll and int i dont care and neither should any one else and clearly riot is ok with what you are playing.

shit i use to do nunu top. maokai mid, sona crit top. i still do ad bruiser maokai . i have supported with nearly any champ that has cc. jungled galio. i use to main galio support ( prior to rework ) so whatever

3TWarrior2 votes

wasn't nunu top meta until sometime in Season 5 ?

MrFawknSunshine2 votes

egh it was a troll pick i use to use it against riven, tryn, singed. i did play alot of nunu top and nunu support ( i know nunu support use to be a thing way back when.) got mastery lvl 7 on nunu top as a counter pick.

Alzon7 votes

Big fan!

Cheini7 votes

basically high-five fellow.. thoooooough in silver people don't even try to win when they see off-meta champions and flame you for every bad thing that happens in the game :d

i might try being a bit more careful (i also haven't been punished though!) and see how this ends up here.. though 3 months is too long in deed :(

boricCentaur14 votes

The sad thing is this is not off meta its just griefing like its the actual definition of it too since all your doing is ruining peoples games since what you are doin is hindering the balance of your team like there are reasons for how things are since it works to by playing it and by not doing it increases the chances of your team losing and a lot of people dont want to play with somone thats off meta so your making it worst for them and thats griefing.

Kai Guy29 votes

dudes at almost 70% win rate over 20 last games, in diamond. Im not sold he is ruining games or hindering his teams balance.

boricCentaur11 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=177UU6Va,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-09-29T21:44:01.945+0000)

dudes at almost 70% win rate over 20 last games, in diamond. Im not sold he is ruining games or hindering his teams balance.

Ok did you read what I said since it would solve the last two things you said but if I worded it poorly then thats my bad so explain it in a different way now if he has gotten a lot of reports from people even with his high winrate that should show people just dont like having it on there teams aka ruinng them for those players, now what I mean by team balance is the job of a role like a carrys job is to mostly do damage now the reason we have the meta we have now is because its the one that would win over the others so if you pick somones whos is not a jg into the jg it will do bad vs somone with the same skill but playing a real jg so playing a off meta will hurt your team making them have a higher chance of losing. Now there are 2 factors that go into him having a good winrate the biggest is that since people never see champions played like that they cant adjust to it or play around it so they lose, two most people that play off meta in high elo are good at the game or know how matchs up work and how to play into them thats how he has a high winrate but the biggest thing is I dont know how having a high winrate is proof that he is not griefing since griefing is making players on your team have a bad game on purpose. Now if you still dont understand pls tell me in more detail what you dont get or just give me a explanation of why am wrong.

P0IS0N IVY16 votes

Ok how bout this. I know the dude personally and his specialty is optimizing unique strategies. Being a meta sheep is boring. This applies to every game he plays.

You're telling ppl to play according to the meta because that's what YOU want. Why is something that you want more important than another player's?

And why are you talking about people being unable to adapt to off-meta strategies like it's a bad thing? It gives you a huge advantage towards winning if people cannot predict what you're doing.

Skencer3 votes

I remember several seasons ago people got really pissed off at me because I liked to play Shen support and he wasn't meta, played it in 3 games, my lane destroyed every time and my team hated me for it. 2 weeks later Shen started getting picked in LCS and suddenly he was meta..... meta literally just means what people want to have in the game and I say (with some hesitation due to trolls) if you want to play something then do it. Don't be unreasonable but if you have the skills to pull it off who should be complaining?

hhaavviikk8 votes

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The sad thing is this is not off meta its just griefing like its the actual definition of it too since all your doing is ruining peoples games since what you are doin is hindering the balance of your team like there are reasons for how things are since it works to by playing it and by not doing it increases the chances of your team losing and a lot of people dont want to play with somone thats off meta so your making it worst for them and thats griefing.

the only thing ''meta'' is are champions deemed strong and popular by LCS and high elo streamers, do you remember annie support? yeha she used to be considered hot garbage, if you picked annie support people would flame you non stop, then the next day it got played in a tournament and guess what? she became meta and 100% pick/ban, so she went from ''get this garbage champ outta here'' to ''OMG PICK OR BAN ANNIE'' in the span of 1 day with 0 buffs and nerfs, the meta didn't cause annie to be stronger it's just that it REVEALED how strong she is, there are plenty of champions like so the meta doesn't mean it's everything, all it means is ''these are the champions of which we know they're strong because they'red used in LCS and high elo streamers''

Kai Guy9 votes

I loved Velkoz support and I only stoped getting Flamed and reported for doing it on any non win... when a fucking Korean team ran it in worlds.

TheWoollyMammoth6 votes

I remember getting raged at for playing morg support is season 3.

Terozu2 votes

I play support MF and had done so way before it was ran in worlds.

I was barely able to play it for a few months afterwards because everyone insisted I didn't know how.

Rismosch4 votes

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Aqua Dragon6 votes

It's full tank. Sorc Shoes and Oblivion Orb are the only non-tank items in the build. Games end with sub-100 AP.

Just yesterday, I had this build and did this much damage. This is the norm, not the exception.

Suffice to say, Karthus can build full tank and deal an inordinate amount of damage still.

More details in the guide!

Rismosch2 votes

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VoraciousX9 votes

Play off meta all you like, but don't shove it in peoples faces and most importantly don't be an ass about it. Don't play with peoples exceptions, ignore the toxics and just play the damn game. No one cares what you play, unless you make a big deal out of it.

This is not true. People will ping your items, blame you for losses, despite you being the only one winning lane, flame you, etc whether you talk or not. People are downright toxic to off meta players in almost every game. Hell I was playing Dark Harvest lethality MF Mid for a while, I had people ban my champion, ping my runes, ping my doran's ring(I went Doran's Ring because it allowed me to use spells more in the laning phase), etc.

Hell you can play something completely meta, but the moment you have ONE thing that isn't standard, they will ping it. I've brought 3 reju beads on Kat in lanes where I know I'm gonna get constantly poked and wanna be able to stay in lane longer and people ping those. They don't hesitate to do it any time you die either.

Aqua Dragon5 votes

I assure you that I don't retaliate at all to people's toxicity. There's a reason I'm Honor 5 and have received no punishments; I largely keep to myself during matches outside of some small positive comments, timers, gank warnings, and other utility comments.

I've no interest in defending my pick against people being rude about it in game.

I've no interest in trying to "get back" at people who are rude to me.

It's not rare for me to end most games having just said "GG".

Yet ask anyone on my stream, and I get an absolute inordinate amount of some of the worst vitrol around. I'm not flaunting my pick, yet I consistently receive constant, neverending harassment, especially when our team is losing.

I say nothing back. There's no point in arguing, no point in being rude, no point in showing off. It doesn't really stop the harassment though. The problem is that merely playing my champ is considered "showing it off", even if I don't say anything.

So I do in fact ignore the toxics, I do just play the damn game, and I sure do wish that was enough for people to not care what I play.

Kai Guy4 votes

He has high base on Q with a low CD. He has Aoe that rewards being into the middle of a fight, Can CC and shred resistance. Its like a sunfire on steroids... and even if you kill him the fact that the build rewards being balls deep on enemy team results In his passive giving him several seconds of extra damage pre greyscreen. Also the Entire time he still has minor global pressure cuz R on some one who dies to it... dies to it.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Until the R does negligible damage compared to an AP build. You're playing a "mage" mid, but lack any of the good properties of being a mage mid. You don't have waveclear. The base on his Q isn't nearly enough so you ARE going to get shoved under tower letting your lane opponent roam for free and snowball off side lanes. Your R doesn't do enough damage without AP. It's like 400 damage at level 16 after base resists. That is so small and just gets smaller once the AD buys Merc Treads or a Scimitar or whatever. Then again, they probably don't have to since you aren't a magic damage threat. You are a mild inconvenience. A gnat and WILL still die in a matter of seconds since you have zero defensive steroids. Your survival time is probably only 1.5 to 2 seconds longer than AP Scaling Karthus who has RoA+Seraphs. The difference is the latter one actually does damage and IS a threat when he is dead since he WILL kill you in 3 Qs and his ult WILL do close to half your health bar as opposed to maybe 1/4.

Kai Guy2 votes

Lets take a look here. Karthus Q. 1 second CD. AP scaling. .3 for multi .6 for solo target hits. W. No damage scaling. E. .2 ap. R. .75 ap.

So Base damage. Q. 50 / 70 / 90 / 110 / 130 Doubled for single target. E. 30 / 50 / 70 / 90 / 110 R. 250 / 400 / 550

Lets look at 2 seconds of extra duriblity. That is to say if Karth Tank build gets only 2 seconds then AP karth. Damage for Q on paper is an extra 260 worst case, Or an extra 520 best. Damage from E? Its an extra 220. How much base AP does karth need to get 220 damage out of his E to counter the damage gained a simple 2 seconds of life? Lets see... at a rate of 0,2 1100 AP. That's the break even point... and note... Tank karth does not NEED the ap. he uses EXP to translate into levels which bumps his base damage per second up. Oh right... and we also would need to subtract the AP the OP's build uses so... 1100 ap + AP gained from tanky items to break even for 2 seconds.

His R being weaker? So fucking what? We talking about the ability he cant cast under pressure cuz its a 3 second channel time. That's on a CD of 200 / 180 / 160. We looking at a .75 Ap scaling. He can still Eliminate low HP champions with its base damage, 250 is enough to kill.

Bad wave clear? dude puts out aoe 240 damage per second base levels.

Do you see how this works yet? 2 seconds IS statistically significant and the Up time is way more powerful per second gained from durability. 2 is notable. 4 is over 2k ap. 6 seconds of lifes worth over 3k Ap. With just a few 2 second intervals even if we account for his R the damage he loses to the rest of his kit going to outweigh that .75 scaling.

"but what if he misses Qs" Well then we assume the same for the model of an AP build and we end up with a champion doing the same wiffed damage, who dies faster. in other words a karth missing Qs with an AP build IS weaker then a tanky build missing Qs.

This is just on paper. How ever I do hope it has been made clear that it only takes a few extra seconds on the champion to up his DPS to levels that AP builds cant match.

Saibbo4 votes

124 Reports in 90 Days, about 270 games.

##LMAO what are those baby numbers? "HATE_SPEECH" : 33, "LEAVING_AFK" : 72, "VERBAL_ABUSE" : 126, "INAPPROPRIATE_NAME" : 3, "NEGATIVE_ATTITUDE" : 186, "ASSISTING_ENEMY_TEAM" : 83, "THIRD_PARTY_TOOLS" : 8

A grand total of 511 reports in (i assume, this is the number of logs that i had) 240 games but maybe it's more than 240, yet not even 1 chat restriction lel, the fun part i usually don't even type in chat or ping anyone, from the 240 logs only like 40 have something written on them, but like 2-3 lines for most of them too

Wilyum3 votes

I'm all for people playing off-meta (I regularly jg urgot) but there is a point when it's trolling, playing a first time AP MF mid and going 0/8 then typing works with a good team is troll.
Play off meta all you want so long as it's still viable :D

King Lego3 votes

Hold on... Are all the reports from your own team? What about the amount of reports from the enemy team? I mean, them losing against off-meta picks (tank Karthus for example) and did very well, they must have been very tilted that they lost to something that seemed like it wasn't supposed to work and therefore report you.

Imagine on the loading screen, enemy saying: "lol malzahar jungle! free LP guys!" then lose to such a thing, and the enemy team decides to report you for pretty much any reason they can find.

Zertryx3 votes

I actually really like APC bot Velkuza, and with the pros playing stuff like swain bot it helped mitigate the hate i get when i do play him as the "bot" role

He has good clear, long range, mana is a bit tight but if u play smart you can keep your mana up well and at 6 you and the support have high kill potential, honestly i feel velkoz is better bot than he is mid with how much Assassins / no mana champs mid are dominant

Illabethe2 votes

I'd like to comment on something.

Given you are playing champions as you consider "nonmeta" you are self admitting you go into a game knowing people are going to question you, and you might very well be affecting their game outcomes.

Maybe that's WHY you don't talk much? You don't really expect to carry or necessarily do well?

I talk a lot less when I play adc, because I know I generally don't hyper carry with adc. If I make a mistake or play too passive and give up too many opportunities, I generally know it. So when someone else makes a mistake, I don't say as much.

But if I'm playing a role I know well, and proficiently, I tend to rage more...... because I expect my team which is 90-100% meta, to also play proficiently. When they 0/2 every single lane and crumple all 3 lanes..... vs champs they hard counter..... yeah..... I'm going to rage.

P.S. I'm a Jungle support specialist, so yeah. I'm generally off meta. But I'm proficient enough at doing it I got to Diamond II.

Jungle = Zyra Pyke Leona best place to be (more ganks, better ganks faster snowballs, can all handle the job harder and faster than a typical jungler)

Aqua Dragon29 votes

The reason I don't talk much is because it's futile and makes my teammates even angrier.

They're not asking me about my Support Orianna build because they're intrigued, they're asking because they're mad. Whenever I've previously answered, every single choice is up for debate and question.

"But if you built AP you would deal more damage"

"That's stupid we need more damage why not build more"

"You're just trolling just sell the items and go AP"

and frankly, the middle of a match is not the time to clarify my build. I'm busy focusing on what the enemy will do next; I don't have the time to answer 50 questions when the person almost certainly won't be convinced anyway.

Like, you can see in my chat logs that I still type occasionally, but it's almost exclusively positive little comments, flash timers, incoming ganks, preparation for objectives, etc.

But spending 5 minutes trying to justify my build or trying to calm them down (when it pisses them off more because I'm the one they hate) doesn't work.

This is made worse because I am the default scapegoat for losses. They've already made up their mind that I am the reason for the loss; a few pretty words about the merits of Tank Karthus aren't going to sway anyone, and frankly I have no obligation to. My only obligation is to try my best to win.

HaIlMonitor13 votes

This happens in all elo. I went Garen Mid and got fb vs a talon, and my toplane hard inted because I was "trolling"

Penta Penguin5 votes

What is tank Karthus?

Aqua Dragon2 votes

This is Tank Karthus!

Terozu3 votes

Dude I had a buddy who went tank jungle Karthus.

Every time he left the jungle a turret died.

It was great.

Of course we were bronze and are now silver so it's not super impressive, still fun though.

Zeromatsu2 votes

How does Abyssal mask interact with karthus E? Do you get 25 health back everytime it costs mana? Because it says "per spell cast"

Aqua Dragon4 votes

Defile costs 78 Mana. The Eternity passive heals for 20% of what is spent. So it is about 15 hp per second!

Zeromatsu2 votes

Good to know. Have you ever tried going gunblade with spirit visage and abyssal mask? I imagine the sustain from simply spamming Q + E with 30% increased healing might be funny.

Aqua Dragon2 votes

I've considered it before, but after running the math, I've concluded that Gunblade is a trap.

At max rank, Defile is doing like 110 damage per second. Gunblade heals for 15% damage dealt, but is reduced to 5% for AOE.

So if Tank Karthus manages to hit 3 targets for 10 seconds the entire time, they will regain a whopping.... 165 health. For 3400 gold.

Yeah.

It's gotta be way higher than that to justify it!

DearPear2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aqua Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=177UU6Va,comment-id=00050000000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-30T19:43:34.525+0000)

I've considered it before, but after running the math, I've concluded that Gunblade is a trap.

At max rank, Defile is doing like 110 damage per second. Gunblade heals for 15% damage dealt, but is reduced to 5% for AOE.

So if Tank Karthus manages to hit 3 targets for 10 seconds the entire time, they will regain a whopping.... 165 health. For 3400 gold.

Yeah.

It's gotta be way higher than that to justify it!

The gunblade slow can help you hit those sweety Qs that will regen you for the full 15% if you only hit one target. I'm not saying it's worth it, but I guess it's to be considered.

Eternal Torment2 votes

So basically you say it is a lose lose

If you say too little people get angry at you for not communicating, but if you say even remotely much people immediately make fun of you as a toxic player.

Damn.

Aqua Dragon3 votes

The only winning move is not to play.

Eternal Torment3 votes

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