Why has Graves still not been dealt with

Jefftiffy··6 votes·509 views

I just feel like Graves has been in such a broken state since he rework and the release of item 3812 and the buff that made his Q almost instant explode on walls. Why hasn't Riot dealt with his problems when he literally breaks the ADC archetype by being the tanky, huge burst, high dps, high sustain adc and has very few actually weak points.

I don't really understand his current kit. It is favored for both AAs and abilities which doesn't make sense. Also why does he get a stacking buff for armor and mr on a low CD ability that also allows him to skip a reload and acts as an AA reset. He can get armor and MR comparable to Leona on himself just by dashing and reloading. 10/15/20/25/30 that can stack 4 times on an ADC. Riot like c'mon what were you thinking. Even 10 flat across all levels is kind of ridiculous (1600g in defense available right at level 1 and about 4.8k at max rank on an ADC).

I look at graves and his current kit and I'm confused. He has the high base values of an early game champ, but he also has the scaling of a late game champ. He has yet to be polarized yet and Riot hasn't even dealt with it.

Seriously he needs something done. He can never ever be healthy and will always cause problems as long as his Q aas and e are all so powerful all at the same time. He isn't even punished for using the huge range on his ult. (80% damage isn't really that big of a drawback for how much extra range it gives).

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MrSerious13 votes

Graves is actaully shit if u play normal

Marshbouy2 votes

keep him at a distance and his damage is pretty low

Jefftiffy1 votes

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keep him at a distance and his damage is pretty low

Except one problem with that. Remember old Quinn and why she was reworked. For the same reason he is currently cancer and is popping up in top lane. Because literally the only counter play is to stay out of his range.

Marshbouy2 votes

No she was reworked because she didn't fit in any lane well and was a cheese top pick.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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No she was reworked because she didn't fit in any lane well and was a cheese top pick.

Because she played as dont get in my range 1v1. The way graves plays is don't get in my range period. Unless you can blow him up faster than he blows you up.

Marshbouy1 votes

Any champion with high burst will burst you down, so what?

Yeah. That's called playing league, champions do the thing, you do the thing to counter their thing.

Handy Sandy 2 votes

Even though I barely have problems with champions, graves really is one of the champs that seem broken to me. Early game he's great, mid game he's great, late game he's great...He's one of the strongest champions up there with Irelia

Sir Nice Guy2 votes

He needs reduced damage on Q, and reduced lifesteal on his autos. His Aoe autos allow him to heal for way too much (200-400 per hit)

Spoofghoul2 votes

his cigar has been dealt with

Reikken1 votes

just make his secondary pellets on his autos count as AoE hits for death's dance then you can buff him if needed

Caítlyn1 votes

You forgot to mention he heals for 500 per hit by mid game.

L Psy Kongroo1 votes

Lifesteal should only apply to a single one of Graves's auto attack pellets. This would put him on the same level as every other ADC. It's simply ridiculous how much healing he has because all his basic attacks hit 5 times.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Lifesteal should only apply to a single one of Graves's auto attack pellets. This would put him on the same level as every other ADC. It's simply ridiculous how much healing he has because all his basic attacks hit 5 times.

Would it? Because as I recall Graves doesn't actually get increased attack speed and has to reload after two shots, meaning that his lifesteal over time would be complete dog shit if he only got one pellet worth of lifesteal.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Would it? Because as I recall Graves doesn't actually get increased attack speed and has to reload after two shots, meaning that his lifesteal over time would be complete dog shit if he only got one pellet worth of lifesteal.

He does scale up to 100% AD on each pellet with 33% extra for multiple pellets. And if he crits its double the pellets and more damage than a normal AA on a crit (hard to do the math on 40%*(1+bonus crit damage basically, either 1 or 1.5). Meaning his crits either do 40 or 60% extra but can also stack on the multiple pellets and you get hit by more pellets.

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