Buff Kayle please

Cloud273··2 votes·936 views

Even before they started nerfing her nonstop several years ago, she was almost NEVER played in LCS. Despite popular belief, Kayle really isn't that good of a champ. She scales very well with some of the items in this game, and her ult can easily win a fight when used properly, but the amount of damage in her kit is actually very low (very low base damage and scaling). Because of the poor scaling on her abilities, Kayle is usually forced into an attack speed build, since it synergizes so well with the invincibility her ult gives. But the only way she's ever able to afford items is if her opponents mess up, or if a skilled Kayle player is able to cs very well. There are plenty of champions who have more base damage and scale better than her, so you can easily kill her pre-6 before she gets her ult.

The reason she wins so much is simply because people don't have a lot of experience playing against her. Almost no one plays her except for Kayle mains, so she is rarely seen. Her 'e' is her main form of damage, and her primary tool for waveclear. This is what she usually uses for clearing the wave, since it allows her to cs while avoiding harass from most champions. However, she also inadvertently pushes the wave while doing this, causing her to overextend. Because of this, Kayle is extremely easy to gank due to her lane being pushed most of the time. A smart jungler will abuse her constantly, and she'll never reach late game.

And as I said before, even when she was 'OP' (back when her passive wasn't complete garbage, she had decent AP scaling, and her cooldowns weren't insanely long) she was barely played at all. All I'm asking is to revert some of Kayle's numerous nerfs over the years. Even if you do this, I highly doubt LCS will take her seriously, due to her aforementioned weaknesses.

17 Comments

dominusx4 votes

better make yasuo have 100 crit with one glove rather give even the slightest buff to this abomination called kayle

UnboundHades1 votes

WHY ARE YOU EVERYWHERE ON BOARDS

dominusx2 votes

I have nothing to do cause i'm sick and i cant go to the gym or go out so i trashtalk low tiers and post memes.

TheHappyReaperz3 votes

Being played in the LCS doesn't make a champion balanced, nor is it a good indicator, for anything. That said, Kayle doesn't need buffs, she needs to be reworked. If you simply did some numbers changes, her AS/On-hit build would still reign supreme, it would just be stronger.

Cloud2732 votes

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Being played in the LCS doesn't make a champion balanced, nor is it a good indicator, for anything. That said, Kayle doesn't need buffs, she needs to be reworked. If you simply did some numbers changes, her AS/On-hit build would still reign supreme, it would just be stronger.

That's why Riot balances this game around LCS, right? You are completely clueless. Whether you like it or not, this game is balanced around competitive play. Why do you think Rengar and Graves got nerfed? Because they were being played almost every game.

TheHappyReaperz4 votes

"That's why Riot balances this game around LCS, right? You are completely clueless."

Except they don't. Rengar and Graves got nerfed because they were unfun, cancerous bullshit, that were ruining peoples games.

Cloud2731 votes

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"That's why Riot balances this game around LCS, right? You are completely clueless."

Except they don't. Rengar and Graves got nerfed because they were unfun, cancerous bullshit, that were ruining peoples games.

Once again, you're wrong. There are a lot of champions people consider to be "cancerous bullsh*t", but unless they're winning in LCS constantly Riot won't nerf them.

TheHappyReaperz1 votes

Like who?

GankedByWindows2 votes

So how do you explain the Volibear nerfs a couple patches ago? He is NEVER seen in competitive. They even buffed him back up afterward.

Cloud2731 votes

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So how do you explain the Volibear nerfs a couple patches ago? He is NEVER seen in competitive. They even buffed him back up afterward.

There are a few exceptions, but it's mostly champs who are winning in LCS and high elo play (plat+).

Paquay1 votes

You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Please win the lottery and send your children to an expensive private school to counteract what their home experience will be like.

Joxcab2 votes

No

NinjaGuy692 votes

I highly doubt they're going to make any considerable changes to Kayle until they give her a full rework. Meddler mentioned that he'd like to do a duo rework for Kayle and Morgana at the same time, however, I don't expect this to happen any time soon as she isn't considered to be a high priority by Riot. I doubt Riot is going to touch her unless she becomes either super broken or super weak somehow. FeelsUnderplayedMan

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

As of now. absolutely not.

Perhaps after a rework when they make it possible to actually counterplay or itemize against her.

Cloud2731 votes

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As of now. absolutely not.

Perhaps after a rework when they make it possible to actually counterplay or itemize against her.

There isn't anything about her kit that's really broken, and it is possible to itemize against her. Her damage is mostly magic, so magic resist is a good way to counter Kayle (unless she builds physical damage for some reason). Also, most of her damage comes from her auto attacks, so ninja tabbi is also good against her. As I said before, Kayle herself doesn't have that much damage, but if you let her or one of her allies smack you to death while being invincible, that's when she's a problem. Fortunately, her ult doesn't make her or her allies immune to cc, so you can easily cc her when she ults.

Sir Fuzzi3 votes

15% defense shred on an on-hit centric champion is pretty nasty if you ask me.

'For some reason' would be 'because your enemy dumped MR' and you'd probably get away with it too.

UnboundHades1 votes

or riot can do something about the champ being only point and click since if its point and click its forced to be weaker than a skill shot because you cant mess it up (besides these 2 Syndra Veigar point and click ftw) she needs something to be a skill shot in her kit so it can be buffed without making her broken

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