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Udyr Changes are iffy

Big Lincoln··2 votes·1,489 views

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/04/45-pbe-update.html#balance

Tiger Stance (Q) : Mana Cost changed from 47/44/41/38/35 to 50 at all Ranks [New] Udyr's stance mana costs decrease by 1 each time he levels up. [Removed] Basic attacks no longer deal 15% AD bonus damage. [Effect Change] Persistent effect and damage changed DoT Effect now also happens on every third attack after the first.
Base DoT damage changed from 30/80/130/180/230 to 30/60/90/120/150 [New] New applications of Tiger Strike's DoT on a target already affected now deals remaining damage instantly.

Turtle Stance (W): Mana Cost changed from 47/44/41/38/35 to 50 at all Ranks [New] Udyr's stance mana costs decrease by 1 each time he levels up. [Effect Change] Persistent Effect changed from [10/12/14/16/18% Life Steal] to [ "Udyr's first attack and every third attack after heals him for (2.5% of his maximum health), increasing by 1% for every percent of Udyr's missing health"]

Bear Stance (E): Mana Cost changed from 47/44/41/38/35 to 50 at all Ranks [New] Udyr's stance mana costs decrease by 1 each time he levels up.

Phoenix Stance (R): Mana Cost changed from 47/44/41/38/35 to 50 at all Ranks [New] Udyr's stance mana costs decrease by 1 each time he levels up.

main complaints are with Q and W. they're nice changes but I feel like this change to attack speed for tiger and turtle stifles his build options quite a bit; I don't imagine him building anything other than Triforce+tank now. depends on how Tiger stance interacts with item 3124, I suppose.

also the early mana nerfs to a champion who already has mana troubles early is annoying. could we set the base lower, to like 45?

8 Comments

Scary Door1 votes

"iffy" being another word for terrible.

Kilanost1 votes

HOLY SHIT, they actually INCREASED his early mana costs?? lol they just fucking destroyed him.

Which is a shame because the rest of it isn't terrible. You can't play udyr with higher mana costs than he already has. He should be a cooldown based champion anyway, not a mana based champion. Trying to do all this nonsense with mana costs is irrelevant. All it does is forces people who play udyr to never give their mid laner a blue buff which is a huge disadvantage by itself.

Big Lincoln1 votes

they go down by 1 per Udyr's level (independent of the ability rank), so it's actually a net buff for skills you aren't ranking up past level 3, and then maxed spells are lower at level 14 i think

I think 45 would be more fair about this, though

LyingOnLine1 votes

Gotta remember it's actually like 49 at level 1.

It mostly affects him between levels 3-9.

Anywho, the changes seem to be pushing him to build tanky/on-hit instead of all the different crazy builds like Guinsoo's or whatever.

Kilanost1 votes

The problem is that mana was always an issue with him...a big one. Its actually the only thing that keeps me from playing him in the top lane. They made a champion whose strength completely rests in his ability to spam abilities, yet made it so he can barely spam them until its midgame and he's got a mana item. And even then he can't reliably do it in a fight for very long. Sometimes you're just switching stances to keep the passive up for the MS to try to engage. bear to turtle to tiger to bear for the stun (first bear was just for the MS) thats 200 mana without the mana deductions. At level 9 he's only got 473 mana to begin with before items.

If you look at other ability spam champions, namely Riven and Lee, they have no mana to facilitate their spamming. Until Riot takes away his mana costs and makes him either cooldown or energy based, he's dead in the water because he wont have the mana sustain to keep up with all the rest of these early game junglers.

Kilanost1 votes

They also didn't address his biggest issue. His engage blows and is easily kitable. Once per cast, bear stance should offer a short distance leap to an enemy target for gap closing. The leap should stun the target and have a small volibear E sized slow to go with it if they're trying to pigeon-hole him into a tank role.

Anags1 votes

Looks like he's getting Aatroxed. None of those changes do anything to really help him imo.

Kurai Mahou no1 votes

Udyr's Q and W are now worded like his R, which procs Guinsoo's and makes the persistent effects proc every 2 hits. We might see Guinsoo become a core item because of how well it synergizes with the stances.

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