At the moment he's really toxic to play against and are we going to ignore that he can E every 4 seconds with 45cdr which is extremely dumb to play against. His Q, W and R I have 0 problems with.
An idea maybe make CD longer?
Paladin 0f Life3 votesHe is squish as heck and at least for me hard to play well. Honestly now that I played as him a bit I understand his kit and realize he isnt that bs champ i thought he was. Look at how to counter rather than just assume its OP
Daxanater1 votesRight but how can you do anything when he can go invulnerable every 4 seconds?
Paladin 0f Life2 votesum wait for cooldown then delete i fail to see a problem.
Shonjl2 votesThe hard thing is the only thing we can compare Fizz E to is Vlad W. But Vlad is tankier and has the best sustain in the game, and resourceless, which is why his W has a long cd
Fizz E as much as I hate Fizz like the next person, is his sole way of waveclearing. If he uses it to clear, you attack him hard. If he is saving it, either bait it out of him or be ready for him to jump on you.
I know its hard since I downright hate Fizz as well but he isn't impossible. Worst part is if they made changes to his E, people would cry compensation and Fizz DOESNT need anything better for his other abilities.
Fisherman Fízz1 votesThats one thing some people don't understand while playing vs Fizz, if he uses his E on the minion wave, you have a open window to kill him. Hes not going to be 45% CDR while in laning phase and depending on the enemy, there's a chance hes not maxing E either.
Daxanater1 votesSo you basically have 4 seconds to kill him?
Fisherman Fízz1 votesit's not 4 seconds and if it was you or your team can't kill a champion that isn't a tank in "4" seconds?
Daxanater1 votesLook, in the 1v1 potential, unless you have MR he will burst you down with ult and the rest of his abilities, his ult slows you which makes him able to catch up and use everything else.
Fisherman Fízz3 votesLook, in the 1v1 potential, unless you have MR he will burst you down with ult and the rest of his abilities
It works that way with any other assassin AD or AP, you get an abyssal / zhonyas and you can survive their burst. "OMG I just got solo'd by 
please nerf" well they're assassins, isnt it their job to delete you if you don't have any defensive stats? If you don't build against assassins they will do their job.
Daxanater1 votesThe point here is 4 seconds to be invulnerable. I can respect all of his abilities but his E that he can use every 4 seconds?? Are we going to let this happen?
Fisherman Fízz1 votes*Untargetable. Fizz has been out for over 4 years and riot never done anything about his E cdr that's something we have to ask to the balance team what they think about it.
Daxanater1 votesOkay let's say it's a 1v1, no minions, all he's gonna do is junk you in a fast rate. He will ult then e on you or q, both ways then you can escape with the mobility that yiu have on your boots and lich bane and possibly ludens echo.
MasterSomething1 votesHe has shit waveclear, can only eliminate one squishy at a time, and it takes until mid game to get his 45% CDR which is where he shines.
Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votesThis is so painful to read it hurts. Any Fizz worth his salt levels E first, which gives him phenomenal waveclear.
Fisherman Fízz1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nanuk Pihoqahiak,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0xzIyARF,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-02-20T03:38:18.248+0000)
This is so painful to read it hurts. Any Fizz worth his salt levels E first, which gives him phenomenal waveclear.
Not true, depend on who you are laning against and he doesnt insta clear waves with level 5 E unless he gets an abyssal
Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votesHe doesn't need to instantclear every wave, but for someone to say he has 'shit waveclear' is just flatout misinformed.
Fisherman Fízz1 votesHis waveclear isnt that bad but isn't always there for him, for example you don't max E vs Zed, Talon, Yasuo. Try waveclearing with E vs a Zed that knows what hes doing and you just get blown up.
MasterSomething1 votesI could have sworn maxing E second was better, as maxing your W made people want to kill themselves. Honestly, I win so many trades/engages with his enhanced W I max E second for the utility.
Fisherman Fízz1 votesUntargetable not invulnerable, 4.4 seconds on 45% CDR which I think it's not the best way to play Fizz at the moment. He is a pain if you are in the lower elos just because the fact people don't undertand how to play against him.
Daxanater1 votesThis isn't about low elos, this is about gameplay. I've seen a lot of high elo lose to fizz just like how low elo do from streams, believe me I watch a lot. Do you think it's fair for every 4 seconds plus E slow which makes it easier to escape and 
? Think for a second and tell me how this is fair?
FioraWillCarry1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fisherman Fízz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0xzIyARF,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-02-20T03:50:12.800+0000)
He is a pain if you are in the lower elos just because the fact people don't undertand how to play against him.
I literally cringe whenever someone says something like this. It ignores a very real dynamic that is present in all non-mirror match-ups. There is an imbalance in necessary skill for each person to win lane.
I'll use myself as an example. I'm Bronze. I main Azir. I have over 300K mastery points with him which is a fucktonne of games to play on a single champion. I understand his strengths and weaknesses quite well. Of course vs say...a plat or maybe even a high gold player, I'm probably shit but in Bronze, I'm God. I can usually win my lane and many times, I get can get fed. Point is, I'm comfortable with him in my elo.
Put me vs another Bronze who's only played Fizz like 5 times and he'll bend me over and finger my rectum while grinning before busting a nut on my face. All my fancy tricks can't help me because it takes far less skill for a Fizz player relative to an Azir player for him to win lane. This means that my skill level has to be very much higher in order for me to have a chance.
A simpler way to put it would be to say something like a Bronze Fizz = Gold Azir or something like that.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining or anything. I've accepted that I'm not as skillful as I like to believe and I absolutely cannot win vs Fizz with my best champ. I ban him every time I get the chance and its not like he's picked often if I don't get to ban him. And if I do have to fight him, I just hope my team can carry after I've fed him like 5 kills.
Anyways, kinda went off there. Point is, some champs require more skill to counter relative to the person playing the champ.
