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4 year Diamond Shaco mains thoughts on the rework.

Ark Angel HFB·11/16/2016, 5:15:14 PM·6 votes·1,560 views

Shaco is in a horrid state.

His damage is so much lower at all points in the game it is nuts.

His passive is nice but also reduces the damage from him building crt, So now high attack speed builds get punished if they have too much crt chance. This also kills a lot of Static shiv damage on him due to having to use the backstab bonus proc for Q, which also takes the shiv proc, but at reduced damage to what a crt should be.

W: The faster cast time is nice... I like it early in jungle thanks to take a little more damage... but with no ammo system there is really not a good way to get tricky with the bounces. Then just like before, it dies to incidental AoE in every team fight in every point of the game. AND you are still chained to the first camp you want to do meaning that you still get invaded

E: feel so bad... the damage is gone from it completely really. The execute damage never seems to really feel good and low hp targets live all the time. Further more AP Shaco has been completely screwed by this change and strips him of his early game trading without him going all in.

R: I like it... they didn't take anything away and added a nice trick... which would be fine if the trick really felt strong and not just another part of the kit that the enemy has to mis play rather than you out play them.

But my biggest problem is that Shaco still gets super behind super easy, but now his late game is even worse. WHY in gods name did you make him weaker early AND LATE. and his mid game spike isn't even that strong anymore so why.

I've played over 4000 games on this champ... Why does the only champ I play in this game feel so bad at his state role "Assassin"

Like really LB(not listed as assassin anymore) is three chain deleting people, Rengar doing the same as an CC immune off tank. Kat is jumping every where leaving dead people in her wake, Talon bleeding multiple people for 1,000 damage late game, Fizz ult is nuts and his damage unchecked in every way, Shaco's clone drops three boxes that share health and don't do anything regardless of how you build and his shiv feels like you are throwing a wet napkin at the enemy...

In short you killed my favorite champ and the only real reason the game was fun to me.

45 Comments

Neko Caitlyn11/16/2016, 5:22:58 PM5 votes

It was huge nerfs to every single part of his kit with no compensation for no reason at all.

Troy24262111/16/2016, 5:38:25 PM3 votes

What I don't understand this Riot says "We want Shaco to be weaker early but stronger late game." Then they nerf his capacity to build crit, a late game stat.

Doesn't exactly facilitate that strong late game fantasy to be penalized for playing him properly and scoring backstabs.

Sherlock Clones11/16/2016, 5:55:32 PM3 votes

It's pointless to complain. There have been so many threads now about how bad shaco is right now and no one from riot has responded. All the people saying AP shaco is good, clearly don't understand the fact you can't farm the jungle or farm lanes with ap. You have to rely on kills otherwise you fall off. His late game sucks, I've had a full build and was 3 lvls higher then an ashe and struggled to kill him. It's a joke

Dêcoy11/16/2016, 5:18:20 PM2 votes

If champion is so bad, just don't play him. Nobody is forcing u to use him~~

Big Lincoln11/16/2016, 5:19:31 PM2 votes

AP Shaco is much stronger now.

You max E last because it scales barely at all with levels. QWE is how I've been doing it

I'm only Platinum last season but I know a couple of better Shacos that agree his AP build is very good at the moment. His crit build was left in the dust which is what I think everyone dislikes about the rework

PermabannedGaren11/16/2016, 5:29:31 PM2 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Shaco

LOOK AT HOW BADLY SHACO IS DOING WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Sherlock Clones11/16/2016, 7:41:51 PM2 votes

This thread is nothing but people flaming. Either stay on topic or close the thread

HollowMimic11/17/2016, 12:53:13 PM1 votes

I loved your quote for Katarina :D gj (y)

Noblewind11/16/2016, 7:05:05 PM1 votes

Statistically he has a strong win rate and play rate in the preseason patch in plat+, and his chances of winning steadily grow as the length of the game does.